Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/18/2002 04:05 PM Senate RES

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                                         ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                               
                                        SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                                            
                                               May 18, 2002                                                                     
                                                4:05 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Torgerson, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Gary Wilken, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                            
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 201                                                                                                 
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the State of Alaska                                                               
relating to providing for priorities for and among subsistence uses                                                             
in the allocation of fish, wildlife, and other renewable resources.                                                             
        HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SJR 201 - No previous action to record.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bruce Botelho                                                                                                               
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Department of Law                                                                                                               
PO Box 110300                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0300                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Loretta Bullard, President                                                                                                  
Kawerak, Inc.                                                                                                                   
PO Box 948                                                                                                                      
Nome, AK 99762                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Julie Kitka, President                                                                                                      
Alaska Federation of Natives                                                                                                    
1577 C Street, Suite 300                                                                                                        
Anchorage, AK 99501                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Carol Daniels                                                                                                               
AFN Counsel                                                                                                                     
1577 C Street, Suite 300                                                                                                        
Anchorage, AK 99501                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bill Calswell, Attorney                                                                                                     
No address available                                                                                                            
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-32, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN      JOHN    TORGERSON       called     the    Senate     Resources       Committee       meeting                    
to   order      at   4:05    p.m.     All    members      were     present.       Also    present       were                    
Senators       Leman    and    Ellis.     Chairman       Torgerson       announced       the    committee                       
would      hear     SJR     201     and     that     he     issued      an    invitation         to     four                    
individuals        to   testify      before      the   committee:        Bruce     Botelho,      Attorney                       
General;       Julie    Kitka,      President       of   the   Alaska      Federation       of   Natives;                       
Dick    Bishop,       Alaska     Outdoor      Council;       and    Loretta      Bullard,       President                       
of Kawerak, Inc.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD      commented,         "I'm     just    noticing        the    make-up      of    the                    
room.     If   we   could    have    half    the    people     on   the   right     move    to   the    left                    
and    half     the    people       on   the     left    move     to    the    right      and    everyone                       
changed      in   the   seating      arrangement,         we   might     get   a   negotiation        going                     
that would produce something."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN      TORGERSON       replied,       "That's     our    goal    today."         He   then     asked                     
Attorney General Botelho to address the committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[THE FOLLOWING IS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BRUCE      BOTELHO,       Attorney       General       of    the    State      of   Alaska:       Mr.                    
Chairman, that's why I positioned myself both in the back and....                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: I saw that, right in the center.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BOTELHO:       I  hope,    Mr.    Chairman      that    will    also    reflect      my   testimony                       
in   general      today.      For   the    record     my   name     is   Bruce     Botelho,      Attorney                       
General.       I  appreciate        the    opportunity        to   speak     with    you    today     about                     
SJR    201    and,     particularly          the    seriousness         with    which      I   know     this                    
committee        and    the    legislature        is    approaching        what     has    been     a   very                    
divisive       issue     over     the    last    many     years,     perhaps       less    so    over    the                    
broad     issue     of   the    importance        of   subsistence         in   Alaska      than    to   who                    
should     be   able    to   make    use   of   that    resource      as   the   highest      beneficial                        
use.    The    essence     -   the   history,       basically,       of   SJR    201,    is   an   outcome                      
of    a   process       started       specifically         last     August       when     the    Governor                       
convened       a  summit     of   a   broad    range     of   Alaskans,       including       the    Senate                     
President        and   others,      Senator      Lincoln,       to   discuss      how    we   could     come                    
to   resolution.        Perhaps      what    was   different       in   that    process      from    others                     
was    the    focus     on   cultural       values      -   what    it   is    we   wanted     Alaska      to                   
look    like    and,    out    of  that,     again,     [indisc.]       a  renewed      effort     to   pass                    
a constitutional amendment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The     Governor        asked      11    Alaskans       to    make      an    attempt       to    draft      a                  
constitutional          amendment        that    would     fulfill     the    expectations         of   that                    
summit     and    that    originally       became     SJR    41   in  the    last    regular     session.                       
It   has    three     elements,       in   general     terms.      The   first     subsection        really                     
attempts       to   declare      as   public     policy     our    view    of   the   high    importance                        
and    high    value     we   place     upon    subsistence         and   the    subsistence        way    of                   
life     of   [indisc.]       peoples      and    the    role    it   continues        to   play    in   the                    
state.      I   know     some     have    expressed        concern      about      that    in    terms     of                   
conferring        some    special      rights.     We   were    quite     clear    in   our   commentary                        
as   a  group     that    we   did   not   intend     to   confer     any    special      rights     on  any                    
group     of   people     but    that    it   was   important       for    us   to   provide     a   vision                     
to Alaska about what it is we were attempting to achieve.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Subsection        (b)   of   this    proposed      amendment       really     goes    to   the   heart     of                   
the     subsistence          issue.      Mr.     Chairman,        I    think      it    also     directly                       
addresses        the    issues     that     you   asked      us,   this     afternoon       in   inviting                       
testimony,         to   address.       It    provides       the    priority       in    the    taking      of                   
fish,     wildlife       and    other     renewable        resources       in   the    following        way,                    
first      of    all,     acknowledging          that     any     use    of    resources        is    first                     
subject       to    the    principle        of   sustained        yield.      We're      talking      about                     
harvestable        surpluses.        Second,      that    when    it  becomes      necessary       then    to                   
pose     restrictions          on    that     harvestable         surplus,       the     customary       and                    
traditional         subsistence        uses     of   or   by    rural     residents       of   the    state                     
shall     receive      priority       over    all    other     consumptive        uses.     And    this    is                   
the basic, what I would call - describe - the rural priority.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
We   tried     to  address      the    second     issue    here    that    is   not   so   much    tied    to                   
what     we    call     the    McDowell        decision,       but     another      decision        of   the                    
Alaska      Supreme      Court,     Kenaitze      v.   State,      in   which    the    Alaska     Supreme                      
Court     struck     down    one   of   three     provisions       in   terms     of  Tier    II.    Let   me                   
just    briefly      explain      -  I   know    that    most    of   the    committee       is  familiar                       
with    this     but   just    as   a  helpful      refresher.        There     are   situations        when                    
the    harvestable        surplus      is   not    sufficient        even    to   meet     the   needs     of                   
the    subsistence         or    all    subsistence         users     in   a   given      area    and    the                    
question       comes     up   when     that    arises     who    of   those     users     in   that     area                    
should      have    first    priority       in   getting      that    limited      resource      and    this                    
is   where     Tier     II   comes     in.    State     law,    until     the    Kenaitze      case,     and                    
again,      Title     VIII    of   ANILCA     provides       the    same    Tier    II   system,      would                     
basically       say    that    the   people     who   should      be  able    to   first     exercise      it                   
should      be   determined        on   three     factors:      the    first     one    their    historic                       
dependence        on   that    resource;       second,      their     proximity       to   the   resource                       
-    how    close      are     they     to    it    vis     a   vis     others;      and     third,      the                    
availability          of    other     resources.        The     Alaska      Supreme      Court      in   the                    
Kenaitze        case     and    largely,       perhaps       even     foreshadowed          by   McDowell                       
itself,       when      presented        with     the     question       said     proximity        to    the                    
resource,       and    using     that    as   a   factor     in   determining        who    should      have                    
first     crack    at   it,    is   unconstitutional           under     the   state     constitution.                          
This      provision,          subsection          (b),      would       make      clear      that       this                    
legislature         would     be   free     to   enact      laws    that     would     reinstate        that                    
provision or that proximity test in Tier II.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The     third      feature       of    SJR     201     is    an    authorization,            but    not     a                   
requirement,          to   the     legislature         to    provide      for     lower     subsistence                         
priorities         after     one     has    satisfied        the    rural      priority,        to    other                     
Alaskans       in    preference        to   personal       use,     sports      use    and    commercial                        
use.     This    was    the    subject       of   great     debate      in    our    own    group,      many                    
feeling      that    the    one   thing     you    don't     want    to   do   is   expand     the    class                     
of   people      who   should      be   able    to   obtain     subsistence         because      the    more                    
people     who    participate,         again     the    resource      is   limited       and   there     are                    
consequences         in   that    sense,     perhaps,       against      other     subsistence        users                     
and,     equally       importantly,         the     more     one    can    exercise       a    claim     for                    
subsistence         use,     the    less     that     would      be   available        for     the    other                     
beneficial         uses      of    the     resource.         Others      have      suggested        it     is                   
important         to     recognize         that      there       are      residents         of     Alaska,                      
particularly         in  communities         like    Eklutna     and    the   Kenaitzes,        who   have,                     
since     time    immemorial,         a  subsistence         tradition.        Through      no   fault     of                   
their     own,     communities         -  urban      areas     have    surrounded         them    so    they                    
should     be   able    to   continue       to   participate.         Another     category       that    has                    
frequently         been     mentioned         to    us    are     those      who     have     had     rural                     
experiences        and   now    live    in   urban    Alaska     but    have    a  direct     connection                        
to    customary       and    traditional         uses     in    rural     Alaska      and    that     there                     
should     be   some    opportunity        for   them    to   participate.         In   any   event,     our                    
solution      here     was   simply     not    to   solve    the    issue     but   to   authorize       the                    
legislature to solve it or address it as it would choose.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Those     are     the    three     features        then    Mr.     Chairman.       First      of   all,     a                   
statement         of    policy       identifying         the     importance         as     a    value      of                   
subsistence         and     the     role     it    has     played      and     continues        to    play,                     
specifically with respect to indigenous peoples of Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[THE      NEXT      PORTION       OF     ATTORNEY        GENERAL       BOTELHO'S         TESTIMONY         IS                   
INAUDIBLE DUE TO TELECONFERENCE EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS.]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       The    second      subsection,         which     grants      the                    
priority      itself      with    respect      to   Alaskans      in   rural     areas    -   again,     I  -                   
understand        under    that    both    rural     but,    more   specifically,          local    within                      
rural     and    also    providing       authorizing         for   proximity       to    be   an   element                      
in   a  Tier    II   scheme      and   the    third    feature      is   authorization         for    lower                     
subsistence priorities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Chairman,        this     afternoon       when     you    invited       us   to    testify,       you                    
asked     us  specifically         to   focus    on   four    principles,        which     I  take    to   be                   
factors       that     you're      looking       for    in    evaluating        any     constitutional                          
amendment         that      this      committee         would      consider.         And      with      your                    
permission,         let    me    just     briefly      state      them     and    then     go   back     and                    
measure      this     particular        amendment        against      those     four     criteria.       The                    
first     was   place    of   residence;        that    the   state     constitution        needs     to   be                   
changed        to    allow       the     legislature          to    assign       a    preference         for                    
subsistence         hunting       and    fishing      based     on    local     residence        within      a                  
rural       subsistence           area.      Second,        there's        a     rural       subsistence                        
limitation.         A  subsistence         preference        must    be   limited       to   subsistence                        
hunting      and   fishing      in   rural     Alaska.     Third,     customary       and    traditional                        
uses     -  a   subsistence         preference        must    be   limited      to   fish     stocks     and                    
game     populations         that    have     been    customarily         and    traditionally          used                    
for      subsistence.           And      finally,         legislative           discretion          -    the                    
constitutional            amendment        should      be     discretionary,           that     is    'may'                     
rather than mandatory, 'shall.'                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Chairman,        comparing       SJR    201    to   your    first     criterion       -   place     of                   
residence,         that     is,     the    legislature         should      be    able     to    assign       a                  
preference         for     subsistence          hunting       and     fishing        based      on    local                     
residence       within     a   rural    subsistence        area.     And   again     though,     we   don't                     
expressly         use     the     term     rural      residence.          If    you     will     look      at                   
subsection        (b),    we   made    clear     that    we're     talking      about    customary       and                    
traditional         subsistence        uses     of   that    resource       by   rural     residents       in                   
the    area    of   the    state     in   which     those     customary       and   traditional         uses                    
have    occurred       and   I  would     suggest     that    [indisc.]       the    term    in  the    area                    
is   really     the    equivalent       of   -  at   your    request      -  that    there    be   a  local                     
residence        feature.       We   view    that     as   being     the    equivalent.         [Indisc.]                       
lots    of   forces     at   work    today,     not   just    the    force.     The   second     -   so,   in                   
short,       I   believe       that     this      amendment        directly       meets      your     first                     
criterion.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The    second      is    a  rural      subsistence        limitation         -  that     it    must    be    a                  
preference         limited       to     subsistence         hunting       and     fishing       in    rural                     
Alaska.      Our    clear     intent     here    is   to    see   this    as   a   rural     preference,                        
that    is   to   say    we   have    local     within     rural     but   subsistence        activities                        
are a rural activity to be regulated further in a local area.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The    third      is   customary       and     traditional        uses.     You    declare       that    the                    
preference        must    be    limited      to   fish    stocks     and    game    populations         that                    
have     been    customarily         and    traditionally          used    and    we   expressly        make                    
that     clear    in   lines     14   and    15   where     we're     talking      about     subsistence                        
uses of those resources that are customary and traditional.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Chairman,        the    one    area    that     we   did    not    meet     your    test     is   the                    
issue     of   discretionary          versus     mandatory       directive       to   the    legislature                        
and    acts     as   a   priority.       This     version      at   line     11   declares       that    the                    
legislature         shall     provide,       not    may.    Our    view    in    drafting      this,     and                    
again      not    without      extensive        debate      within      the    committee,        was    that                    
this      would     be    -    this     is    a   directive        to    the     people      or    to    the                    
legislature         from    the    people     that    this     is   such    an   important       issue     to                   
be     resolved        that      the     legislature          really       should       not     be    given                     
discretion         to   either      deal     or   not     deal    with     the    issue      but    it   was                    
important        that    it   be    compelled       to   provide      for    the    priority       and   not                    
simply     from    the    standpoint       of   bringing      the    state    into    compliance        with                    
ANILCA      that    on   its    merits,      such    a  priority       is   just    a  good     value    for                    
Alaska.      That's     what    we   stand     for   in   terms    of   protecting        a  way   of   life                    
that     most    of   us   in   urban     Alaska      have    not    or   do   not    [indisc.]       which                     
we're fortunate to see occurring in many parts of our state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Chairman,        again      [indisc.]        approach       that     limit.      I'm     certainly                       
available to answer any questions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN        TORGERSON:         Questions        for     the    Attorney        General?        Senator                      
Taylor?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:       In   light     of    the   Bess     v.   Ulmer      decision,       does     this                    
change      or    constitute        a   revision       of    the    Constitution         or    merely      an                   
amendment?                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       my   view     is   that    this     is   in                   
the    nature     of   an   amendment       and   not    a  revision.       I  know    that    there     are                    
some    who    would     see   this     as   altering      the    state     constitution,         that     it                   
would     require      a   constitutional          convention        rather      than    a   -   simply     a                   
vote     of   the     people     after      a   vote     of   the    legislature.          I   know     that                    
people      -  and    I'm    willing      to   go   into    detail      here    -   people     can    argue                     
that    issue.      The   only     way   it   gets    answered,        however,      if   one    wants     to                   
defend      a   good    answer      [indisc.]       spotty,       to   vote     the   record      of    two-                    
thirds,      place     it  on   the    ballot,      allow    it   to   be   challenged,        allow     the                    
Supreme      Court,     which    is   the    final    arbiter      of   constitutionality           of   any                    
provisions in the Constitution to make that decision.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: Just one follow-up?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Taylor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:       Does     the    Governor's        constitutional          amendment        place                     
the state in compliance with Title VIII ANILCA?                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY      GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.   Chairman,        it  does     not.    The   test    -   what                    
it   does    -   what    it   would     do   -  would     be   to   authorize       legislation         that                    
would     presumably         bring     the     state     into     compliance.         The    test     under                     
Title      VIII     of    ANILCA      is    whether       the     state     has     laws     of    general                      
applicability          that     provide      for    the    priority,        that     provide      for    the                    
participation         and    definitions        that    are   found     in  ANILCA.      The    effect     of                   
McDowell       was   to   declare      that     there     was   not    legislative        authority        to                   
provide      for    that    priority.       This    amendment,        if   it   were     adopted      as   it                   
is   now,    would     authorize       you   to   pass    legislation         that    would    bring     the                    
state into compliance.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:     That's      disturbing       because      this    document      has    been    sold                    
as   the   solution      and,    apparently        from    your    statement       it's    not,    that    it                   
would     then     take    additional        actions      from     the    legislature.         Would     the                    
Administration          support      linking       specific      amendments        to   ANILCA      with    a                   
constitutional amendment?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       we   do    not   believe       there     is                   
any   necessity       of   any   changes      to   ANILCA     in   order    to   -  in   the    enactment                       
of    this      amendment.         Others       may     disagree        but     in    our     view      this                    
amendment,        followed        appropriately          by    statutory       changes       that     would                     
provide for the priority, is all that's required.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:       I'm     concerned        about      that     answer      because       I    have                    
several      memos     from    members     of   your    own   legal     staff     that    indicate      that                    
unless      changes      are   made    to   Section      807   of   ANILCA,      it   basically       takes                     
the    state    out    of  the    management       of   our   fish    and    game    and   causes     major                     
problems        as   far     as   federal       oversight,        review,       and    who's     actually                       
going     to    be   deciding       fish    and    game    management        decisions.        These     are                    
not    coming     from    any   source     that    I've    requested.        These    are    the   members                      
of your own staff and your own [indisc.].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       if    it   would     be    helpful      to                   
have    members      of   my   own    legal    staff     appear     before      you   I  would     be   glad                    
to offer them up.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: I was asking the question because....                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY GENERAL BOTELHO: Mr. Chairman, I hope I was responsive.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Other questions?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[A   SHORT     PORTION      OF   THE   RECORDING       IS   INAUDIBLE       DUE    TO   TELECONFERENCE                          
EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS.]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       LINCOLN:       ...SJR      201     -   one    of    the    questions        that     Senator                      
Taylor      asked    is   one    I  wanted     to   ask,    as   well    as   how   it   -   if  it   comes                     
into     compliance        with     ANILCA      and    how    we   get    there     and    I   think     you                    
answered        that     but     one    of    the     recommendations            by    the    Governor's                        
leadership        conference       on   subsistence        recommended        that    the    legislature                        
adopt      a   constitutional           amendment        guaranteeing         a   rural      subsistence                        
priority       and   a   law   that    provides       a  form    of   co-management.          Do   you   see                    
this tool as one addressing that - in co-management?                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       in   my   view    a   constitutional                          
amendment       is   not    required      to   allow     for    co-management.          I  think     that's                     
a   decision      that    falls    within      the   power    of   the    legislature        today    and    I                  
would     also    indicate      that,     again,     I  wouldn't      be   averse     if   the   question                       
is    whether      including       that     would     in   some     way    strengthen        management,                        
but    I   would     tell    you    that    throughout        the    discussions         over    the    last                    
several       years      that     I've      participated          in    we    have     worked      on    the                    
assumption        number      one,    that    the    legislature         had   such     authority       and,                    
second,       as     we    have     drafted       statutes        before,       we     have     expressly                       
contemplated forms of cooperative management.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN: As a follow-up Mr. Chairman?                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Go right ahead.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       LINCOLN:       Although      we    do   have     the    authority       to    do   that,     we                   
haven't       obviously       passed      a  subsistence         resolution        yet    after     all    of                   
these     years     that    it   doesn't      preclude      us   from    also    writing      within     201                    
the    necessity        to   have    co-management.           You're      not   suggesting         that    it                   
has to be a separate law but you just didn't put it in here?                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL     BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       we   have    not   contemplated         any                    
specific        provision        in     the     constitutional           -    this      constitutional                          
amendment       that    would    specifically         address      co-management.          I'm   not    sure                    
that I am being responsive but...                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN        TORGERSON:         Basically        you're       saying      that      we    can     do    it                   
statutorily         and   it's     just    a   detail      -  it    doesn't      need    to    be   in   the                    
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY GENERAL BOTELHO: That's my view.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:      And    then,     Mr.   Chairman,       there's      the    question      that    -                   
the    questions       that     were    posed     to   you    by   our    good    Chairman,        Senator                      
Torgerson,         was    the    limitation         of    the    subsistence         to    hunting       and                    
fishing      and     within     the    resolution         you've      added     or   other      renewable                       
resources. Could you expound on that a little bit?                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY      GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.   Chairman,        to  the    extent     that    the    state                     
truly     wishes     to   address      compliance        with     Title    VIII,     while     our    focus                     
in   the   debates      has   been    largely      on   fish    and   wildlife,       the   priority       on                   
federal      lands    is   for   fish,     wildlife      and    other    renewable       resources       and                    
probably       the   most     common     example      would     be   the    harvesting        of   berries                      
for     subsistence         uses.      While      there      have      been     many     contributions                          
[indisc.]       that    have    been    considered        either     by   this    body     or  the    other                     
body,     they're       focused      on   fish     and    wildlife.        Our    language       seeks     to                   
mirror      Title      VIII      of    ANILCA      and     that     is    to    include       the     other                     
renewable resources.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:      And    finally,      Mr.    Chairman,       the    question      that    I   have                    
is    on   Section       (c)    of   201.     Under     Section       (c),    wouldn't       this     allow                     
urban     subsistence         users     to   come    to   rural     Alaska      to   compete      for    the                    
already      scarce      wildlife      resources       in    some    areas     and   won't     that     also                    
lead to a Tier II situation more quickly than otherwise would occur?                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY      GENERAL      BOTELHO:      Mr.    Chairman,       there    are    circumstances         where                     
that    could     be   the    effect,      that    is   to   the    extent     that    one    authorizes                        
non-rural       residents       to   participate        in   subsistence        harvesting       in   rural                     
Alaska,      though     not   necessarily.         You   could     have    features      where,     again,                      
using     the   example      of   the    Eklutans,       them    being     able    to   use    -   look    at                   
their     customary        and    traditional        harvesting         patterns      in    their     area,                     
but     not    necessarily          work     to    the    diminution         of    rural      residents.                        
Probably      most     important       to   point    out    is   were    this    to   be   enacted,      the                    
second     sentence      of   subsection        (c)   makes     clear    that    the    priorities       are                    
to   be   granted      only     after    one    has    satisfied       the    subsistence        priority                       
of   rural     residents       in   the   state.     Some     people     have    talked     about     rural                     
plus    -   that    is   to   have    not    only    rural     residents       but    some    additional                        
right     now   undefined       group     of   people     all    on   the   same    additional        level                     
to   access     subsistence        resources.        This    amendment      would     say   you    have    to                   
satisfy      -  before      you   open     it   up   to   anyone     else,     you    have    to   satisfy                      
the    rural      subsistence         needs     first      so   we    have     defined      that,      to   a                   
certain extent, as rural comma plus, as opposed to rural plus.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Halford?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       Is   there     anything       in    Section      (c)    that     grants     any                    
authority        to   the    state     lawmaking        bodies     that     doesn't      exist     without                      
Section (c)?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:      Mr.    Chairman,       I  do   not    believe     so.    I  think                     
the legislature likely has this authority today.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       With    regard     to   the    way   federal      oversight       works     when                    
we   are    in   compliance       with     ANILCA     versus     when    we're     not   in   compliance                        
with    ANILCA,      would     you   kind     of  go   through      an   explanation        of   how    that                    
works?                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY        GENERAL       BOTELHO:        Just     so    we    are     really      clear,      are     we                   
assuming        that     the    federal       -   the    state      government        has    taken      over                    
management        throughout         the    state     and    now    we   have     a   situation       where                     
someone       comes      in    and    says      the    state      -   you're      not     operating        in                   
accordance with...                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       The    access      to    federal      court,      with     regard      to   the                    
complaints        about     the    operation       of   the    system,      appears      to   be   only    on                   
federal      lands     and    waters      when    we   were     out   of    compliance,        but    it   is                   
stated      to   be   including       federal      lands     and    waters     and    state     lands    and                    
waters when we're in compliance.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.   Chairman,        I  believe      that    is    a  correct                      
reading      of   what    is   in  Section      807   but    I  think     I  would    also    underscore                        
that     I    think     the     oversight        that's      being      discussed        here     is    very                    
limited      in    nature     in   terms     -   or   scope     -  in   terms     of   what     a  federal                      
court     would     be   able     to   do   and    that    is   the    requirement,         in   terms     of                   
giving      relief      to    a   person      who    brings      a   case     in   federal       court     in                   
Alaska     requires       first    of   all    that   it   take    place     only    after    exhaustion                        
of   administrative          remedies.       Second,      that    the   relief     to   be   provided      is                   
simply      that    the    state     adopt     regulations        that    do   comply      with    Section                      
804    that    is  providing       for    the   priority      and    participation         and   only    for                    
that    period     of   time    -  reading      it   from    the   statute      -  for    such   a   period                     
of   time     as   normally      provided       by   state     for    the   regulations         at   issue,                     
which, in our state, is normally a one year cycle.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Now   that's      reading     from     the   provision       of   ANILCA     but                    
what     has    been    your     experience        with     regard     to    the    cases     that    we've                     
actually had in the state since then?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Well,     there      are    actually       relatively        few                    
federal      cases     that    have    challenged       the   state     system     in   the   area    -  but                    
I   don't      know     that     they     necessarily         commend      themselves         -   I   think                     
particularly         the   federal      Kenaitze      decision       in   trying     to   define     rural.                     
We    had   a   district       court,      which     improperly        concluded       that    the    Kenai                     
was    not    a  rural     area.     The   Ninth     Circuit's        reversed      on   appeal.      We've                     
had     review       of    specific        regulations          [indisc.]        where      the     courts                      
questioned        the   factual      basis     of   the   determination          made    by   the   board,                      
whether      it   had    really     evaluated        properly      the    evidence.       That    I   don't                     
find    particularly          [indisc.]       difficult        kind    of,    I   think,     issue      that                    
[indisc.]       whether      the   state     or  federal      courts     would     engage     in.   It's    a                   
rational       basis,      reasonable        basis,      for    the    administrative          action      of                   
the [indisc.].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      Would     you   support      the   amendment       package      that    Senator                      
Stevens      was    able    to   pass    several      years     ago    that    expired      with    regard                      
to definitions and modifications?                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       again      I   -  let     me   say    two                    
things     first     of  all.    Our    view    as   the   Administration          is   that    there    are                    
no   necessary       changes     to   ANILCA     in   order     to  bring     the   state     management                        
of   fish,     game    and    other     resources       throughout        the   state.      At   the    same                    
time,     I  personally        participated         in   reviewing       Senator      Stevens'      past    -                   
I  can't     say   here    that    they    were    [indisc.]       in   any   respect      strengthened                         
-  put    sideboards        on   -  a   persistence        in   a   way   that    was    beneficial        to                   
the    state.     The   Administration's            view,    and    I  represent       that    today,      is                   
that    those     are   not   necessary       and    that,    in   order    to   move    forward,       from                    
our    perspective,         all    that    is   required       is   a  constitutional           amendment                       
and statutory changes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Other questions? Senator Halford.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      With    regard     to   your    number     one   point     on   the   question                       
between      local      versus      rural     -   do   you    think      local     works     within      the                    
intent of the original goal of ANILCA?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY      GENERAL      BOTELHO:      Mr.    Chairman,       to  the    extent     that    it   is   in  a                   
context      that    it's    local    within     rural,      yes.   In   fact    that    is   the   way    it                   
is    to    be     applied       -    the    way     it    is     applied       today.       Perhaps       an                   
apocalyptic         answer      is   the    so-called        Barrow     that     goes     to   Angoon      to                   
hunt     deer.      To    my    knowledge,         no    one     has     established         that     as    a                   
customary        and    traditional         pattern.       That     Barrow      hunter,       therefore,                        
would     not    be   able    to   do   so.    It   is   really      looking      at   population        and                    
stock     -  specifically         what    are    the   customary       and    traditional        patterns                       
-   who's     harvested       in   and    that     is   the    essence      of   local     and    that     is                   
really     the    context,      when    we   talk    about     rural     residents       of   an   area.    I                   
guess     my   caveat     is,    and   it's     one   of   the    issues     that    -   in   looking      at                   
Senator      Ward's      proposal       has     been    somewhat       of    a   concern      to    me,    is                   
whether      it   is  intended       that    the   starting      point     is   Tier    II,   which     then                    
suddenly      puts    us   into    an   individual       evaluation        of   who   in   an   area    gets                    
the    priority.       Our   view     is   that    you    start    with     a  community       of   people                      
who    have    customarily         and   traditionally          harvested       the    resource       in   an                   
area.     You    look    to    those     patterns.       Only    when     there     isn't     sufficient                        
supply      to    satisfy       those      subsistence          users      would     you     go    to    the                    
individual        criteria      that    is   reflected       in  Tier    II   and   so   I  think     there                     
is   a  latent      ambiguity       about    whether      you    start    in   that    amendment       -   if                   
you    simply     say    local,      whether      you    intend     to    go   local     individual        or                   
local collective.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      How    does    that    jibe    with    what    you   just    said    about    the                    
Barrow-Angoon           deer     hunter?       It    sounded       like     the     reason      that     the                    
Barrow-Angoon            deer      hunter        wouldn't        qualify        was      because        that                    
individual         couldn't       or   didn't      have     a   customary       or    traditional        use                    
pattern.        I   agree     that,      at   some     point,      individual        criteria        become                     
unworkable        but    it   just    seems     like    you    just    used    it   in   your    previous                       
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Well,     I   use    it   in    a  sense     that     you'd     be                   
hard     to   put    to   establish       that    it    was   a   tradition       of    Barrow     hunters                      
collectively         to   go   to   Angoon      to   hunt    deer.     That's     what    your     -  so   if                   
you     see     the     Barrow       person       as    the     collective         rather       than     the                    
individual,         the    point     is   you    start     off,    Mr.    Chairman,       looking      at    a                  
group     in   an    area    and    as   you    look    at   stocking       -  really,      perhaps      you                    
start     -   rather     than     looking      at   the    people     you    look    at   the    stock     or                   
the    population        and   with    respect      to   that    stock     or   population       what    had                    
been    the    customary       and    traditional        use    patterns.       Who   has    customarily                        
and    traditionally          harvested       the    resource?       That    is   your     local.     Then,                     
when     you     talk     about     the     next     step,     that     population         or   stock      is                   
insufficient         in   terms     of   what     is   the   harvestable         surplus      to   satisfy                      
all    those     users      you    go   to   Tier     II   and    you're      making      a   choice     now                    
individually          about     who     is,    say,     most     deserving       using      those     three                     
criteria        -   proximity,         dependence        and     availability          of    alternative                        
resources - deciding who gets to harvest.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:      So    if   local     were    a   collective        criteria       instead      of                   
rural,       then     you    would      still     go    to    individual         criteria       with     the                    
exception of local, which you already used when you go to Tier II.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:      Yes.    The    only,     again,     but   one    other     caveat                     
here,     I  think,     local     still    has    to  be   in   the   context      of   rural    local.      I                  
mean     -   presumably,         let    me   explain      why.     I   guess     I   wouldn't       say    it                   
would     have    to   be  that    way    but   there     are,    I  suspect,      pitfalls      that    you                    
would     not   want    to   have    to   engage     in   if  you    were    going    to   again     have    a                  
local     subsistence        priority       in   Anchorage,        for   example,       Ship    Creek,     or                   
on   the   Kenai     where     suddenly      Kenai    residents       are    all   subsistence        users                     
for    purposes      of   the   Kenai     River,     having     to   decide     who   among     them    then                    
gets    to   make    a   choice     -  gets    to   harvest.       I  think     it's    a  bureaucratic                         
nightmare       that's     going     to   put   not   just    neighbor       against      neighbor,      but                    
also     truly    the    kind    of   pressure       on   the   resource       is   going     to   be   very                    
difficult to expect sustainability over time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Should     customary        and   traditional         be   at   a   volume     of                   
use    or    should     it    be   at   a   species      of   use    or    a  kind     of   species      and                    
volume?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       as    I  understand         it,    it   is                   
really,      even    today,      really     both.     You   are    looking      to  the    species      that                    
have     been     customarily         and    traditionally          harvested       and    we    also,     in                   
deciding       at    any    given      point,     what     is    the    harvestable         surplus      for                    
subsistence in making a decision about quantity.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      But    the   reason      I  asked     the   question       is,   if   you    have                    
a   major    community        that    grows     at   a  particularly         high     intensity       area,                     
and    there    has    been    some     customary       and   traditional         use   so   there     is   a                   
priority       there,       but    the    growth       of    the    community        totally       engulfs                      
either     the    commercial        fish    harvest      on   the    same    resource       or   whatever                       
the    other     harvest       is,    I   think     competing        -   particularly         commercial                        
fisheries        want     to    see    some     kind     of    limitation        on    growth      of    the                    
customary and traditional sector and I just...                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL     BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       I  think     that    probably      raises                      
a  larger     issue,     a   long    term    one   that    I  think     most    everyone      recognizes                        
and    again,     as   we've    done    it   in   the    context      of   rural    generally,        it   is                   
really      what     is    rural.      What     criteria       should      be    used     in    initially                       
establishing         what    rural     is   and    then    mechanisms        for    recognizing         that                    
the    demographics         of   the   state     change.      There     are    going    to   be   areas     -                   
there     are   areas     today     -  that    we   would     say   are    in  transition        in   terms                     
of being rural and non-rural and that will constantly evolve.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I'm sorry to....                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: That's all right. Good questions. Senator Elton.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:45 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      ELTON:     Thank     you    Mr.    Chair.     I   mean    we've     struggled       with    the                    
definition        of   rural    in   this    context      for    a  long    time.     Has   anybody      yet                    
begun to define what local is in this context?                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY        GENERAL       BOTELHO:        Mr.    Chairman,         in    the     context       of    the                    
constitutional          amendment,        I  think     the   answer      is   we  haven't.       I  mean    -                   
our    focus,      we    have    talked      about      in   areas      and    -   looking      at    rural                     
residents       in   areas     and,    in   that     respect,      we   use    the   term     local     when                    
it   would     be   focusing      on   the   species      by   species      what    is   the    customary                       
use    again,      what    will     we   have     with    respect       to   the    Nilchina       caribou                      
herd,     for    example,       which     will    be   different        from    some    fish     stock     in                   
the   area    because      again,     by   species,      [indisc.]       varieties.        That    remains                      
the    starting       point    in    defining      area     or   local,     in    my   view,     but    it's                    
not    one    that     gets    resolved       at    the    constitutional          level     other      than                    
setting      the   broad     parameters        ultimately        as   something       that    you   expect                      
the    expertise       of   your    boards     of   fisheries       and    game,    in   consultation,                          
as    the     appropriate         advisory        bodies      in    the     scheme      that     we     have                    
advanced       before     and    which     I   think     ANILCA     contemplates          is   a  form     of                   
regional       councils       who     can    provide       their     own    knowledge        about      what                    
those use patterns are and what local really constitutes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Taylor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:        I'm     still      a    little      troubled        because        I   didn't                      
understand         your     answer,       I   guess      Bruce,      to    the    question        I   posed                     
[indisc.]       attorneys        and    the    memos     that    they    had    written      on    Section                      
807,    which     was   the    same    section      Senator      Halford      was   inquiring       of   you                    
about     and   you    answered      it   by   saying     you   want    them    to   come    in  here    and                    
talk.     I  mean,     your    own    attorney      said    failure      to   amend     Section      807   in                   
adopting       any   form    of   compliance       with    this    federal      law   -   failure     to   do                   
that    and    include      that    in   the   constitutional          amendment        of  ANILCA      is   a                  
fatal flaw. That's their words, not mine. I [indisc.].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       I   don't     have     the    memos     at                   
hand.     I   don't     know     what    they     are.    I   don't     know    who    they're      by.    My                   
suspicion        would    be   that     this    -  these     memos     may   have     been    what,     8  or                   
10   years     old,    Mr.   Chairman.       I  don't     know    which    ones    they    are.    I  would                     
be   glad    to   take    a  look    at   them    but   if   there    are    people     that    are   on   my                   
staff,     I   would    gladly     offer     them    up   to  this    committee       so   that    Senator                      
Taylor      would     have    the    opportunity        to   directly       examine      them.     I  don't                     
know what statements you're referring to.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:      But    your    position       today     is   that     there's      no   changes                      
necessary to ANILCA? I think you've said that [indisc.].                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY GENERAL BOTELHO: Mr. Chairman that is correct.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      One    last    thing     and    get   back     to   what    Senator      Halford                      
was    talking     about     and   I   don't    know    the   answer      to  this    question       but   we                   
always      talk    about    rural     when    we   talk    about     users     and   people,      who   may                    
or    may    not    take    various      resources.         We've     not    yet    talked     about     the                    
resources        themselves       that     may   be   within      urban     areas.     If   we   do   amend                     
this    Constitution         of   ours    and    make    all   of   our    state    lands     and    waters                     
subject      to    federal      law,    what    would     prevent       a  person      who   is    a  rural                     
person       within      the    federal       definition         from     coming      in    and    taking,                      
literally,         all    of    the    fish     in    Ship     Creek,      from     taking      moose      in                   
Anchorage?                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL     BOTELHO:       Mr.   Chairman,       the   -   again,     the   amendment       is                   
to    operate      in    rural     Alaska,       not    urban     Alaska.      I   think      that's     the                    
first     and    most     important       distinction.         ANILCA      does     not    require      that                    
the    management        of  a   subsistence        priority       be   everywhere       in   the    state.                     
It    is   to    be   in    rural     Alaska,      however       that's     defined       and    it's    not                    
defined      by   the    federal      government,        ultimately.        It's    to   be   defined      by                   
the    instrumentality          that    is   responsible        for   the    management       and    if  you                    
adopt     the    instrumentality          that    is   responsible         for   the    management       and                    
if   you    adopt     this    constitutional           amendment       and    the   people      [indisc.]                       
constitutional           amendment       that    would     enact     the   laws,     it   would     be   the                    
State       of    Alaska       determining          what      those      rural       boundaries         are,                    
obviously        subject      to    challenge       but    they     are   today      and    that    is   the                    
extent,      I   think,      of   the   -   of   how    this    works.      I  can't     contemplate         a                  
scenario       that    Senator      Taylor      has   suggested        in   which     somehow      a  rural                     
come     in   to    Anchorage       to   harvest       moose     in   Anchorage        has    a  priority                       
over     others.      Anchorage       is   a   non-subsistence           area    under     both    federal                      
and    state     regimes       and   this     constitutional          amendment        certainly       -   it                   
might change that back.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:      Only     the    residents        of   Anchorage,        because       they    are                    
living      in   an    urban     area,     are    precluded       from     participating.          Whoever                      
those     residents        are,     wherever       they     came     from,     they     are     currently                       
precluded       under    that    federal      law.    They    are   not    rural,     they    are   urban.                      
It's    a  definition        for   people.      It's    not   a  definition        for   resources       and                    
if resources are found in an urban area.... [END OF SIDE A]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR      TAYLOR:     ...    habitat      friendly      portion      of  Anchorage.        It's    a  big                    
area,     the   city     is,   it   takes     in   clear     down    to   Girdwood       I  think.     If   -                   
well,     if   something       -  if   resources,        those    sheep,      for   instance,       wander                      
around      by   the    highway      down    there,      it's    certainly        a   game    population                        
that    would     be   available       for   harvest.       Is   the   resource       also    defined      by                   
the definition of the user? Is that what you're telling me?                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.    Chairman,       it's     defined      by    the    rural                     
area. Yes.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:        The     last     question        I'd     have      then     is     does     the                    
Governor's        amendment      to   our    Constitution        take    us   out   of   co-management                          
or   does    it   leave    us   still    in   a  co-management          or  tri-management          system                      
like we are today?                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY        GENERAL       BOTELHO:       Mr.     Chairman,        it    removes       us    from     co-                    
management        with   the    federal      government       in   virtually       every    aspect      with                    
some    exceptions,         which     the    federal      government        has   exclusive        control                      
over    in   any    event.     Marine      mammals      is   an   example      -   certain      migratory                       
waterfowl.        That    won't     be   changed      one    way   or   another,       but    there     will                    
be    unitary       management         in    the     sense     that      the    State      of    Alaska's                       
agencies      will    be   those     responsible        for   managing      fish    and    wildlife      for                    
all    beneficial        uses,     not    just    subsistence.         Again,      and    I'm    not    sure                    
whether      Senator      Taylor      is   alluding      to   this,     there     will    of   course      be                   
the    opportunity        for   people      who   believe      that    they    have    been     aggrieved                       
under     Title      VIII    by    the    State,      to   try    and    seek     judicial       redress,                       
especially        in   federal     courts.      They    have     the   right     to   do   that    as   well                    
as in state courts and they do exercise that right in both.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      I   just    wanted      to   make    sure     that    option      of   going     to                   
the     federal       court      by    any     person      dissatisfied           with     the     state's                      
management,        after     you   have    amended      the   Constitution         and   placed     all    of                   
the   state     lands    and    waters     within     this    federal      jurisdiction,         you    then                    
have    [indisc.]       where     today,     on   state     lands     and   on   state     waters,      they                    
go to state court, don't they?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY      GENERAL      BOTELHO:      Mr.    Chairman,       those    who    are   aggrieved       about                     
state     management        on    state     resources,        the    remedy      is   to   go    into    the                    
state      courts      today.       And,     with     respect       to    federal       management         on                   
federal      lands,     their     remedy     is   to   go   into    federal      court     today.     While                     
this    is    an   express      act    of   Congress,       it   makes     clear     that     any   person                      
aggrieved       or    organization         aggrieved       about     whether      we   have     satisfied                       
the   priority       and   the   participation          in   Title    VIII,     now   can,    were    we   to                   
enact     this     amendment       go    in   to   federal       court.     Again,      both     what    the                    
federal      courts     can    do   is   limited      but    I  think,      more    importantly,         I'm                    
not    at   all   troubled       by   the    idea    -  I   don't    think     any    of   us   should     be                   
here,     that    people     should      be   able    to   seek    judicial      review,      federal      or                   
state,      of    actions      they     believe       are    contrary       to    law    by   government                        
agencies.        I   swore     an   oath     to   uphold      the    federal       as   well     as   state                     
constitutions,           here.     I'm    not    ashamed      of    the    federal      courts.       I  may                    
disagree       with    some    of   their     decisions.       I'll    tell     you   I  also    disagree                       
with     some    of   the    decisions       of   the    Alaska      Supreme      Court     and    I  know,                     
Senator       Taylor,      you    share     that     view.     One    is   not    inherently         better                     
than     the   other.      They    are    simply     avenues      for    redress      for    allegations                        
of   governmental         overreaching         and   if   there's     any    comfort      here,    I  would                     
say    for    those     who    are    concerned        about     what    federal       courts      can   do,                    
it's    in   many    respects      more    limited      than    what    state     court    remedies      can                    
be.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: I just wanted to clarify that one point.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Thank you Senator Taylor. Senator Lincoln?                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:       I  just    wanted     each     of  the    testifiers        to   also    answer                     
the    one   question      of   if   we   do   nothing,      what,    in   your    estimation,        would                     
occur.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY       GENERAL      BOTELHO:       Mr.   Chairman,        I  believe      that    the    fish    and                    
game    managers       can   much     more    eloquently       answer      this    question      but    what                    
is   clear,      first     of   all,    is    that    we   do   have     a  truly     dual    management                        
system      that    is   coming      into    play.     It's    stronger       [indisc.]       passage      of                   
time     in    terms      of    one     regime      in    the     state,      which      has    only     one                    
responsibility,           and    that    is   to   make     sure    that    all    subsistence        needs                     
are    satisfied       on   the   public      lands    -   federal     lands     of   the    state.     And,                    
a   second     system,      which     on   state    lands     has   a   responsibility          to   manage                     
both    for    subsistence        and    other    uses     but   to   allocate       among    beneficial                        
uses     and    we   have     areas     of   the    state     where     both     claim     jurisdiction                         
trying      to    apply     those     competing        management        responsibilities,            which                     
provide       both     a   conflict       for    the     managers       but    also     on   the     ground                     
conflict       for    the   users.      I  think     that    is   one    [indisc.]       the    most.    I'm                    
concerned        that    apart     from    that    [indisc.]        any   more    from     a  political-                        
social      viewpoint        of    the    consequence         of   failure       to   act,     what     it's                    
doing     in   dividing      states,      regional       lines,     racial     lines,      and   my   sense                     
is   that    finally      passing      an  amendment,        implementing         statutes      will    do   a                  
lot to heal that division that is clearly emerging.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Thank you Bruce for your testimony today.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ATTORNEY GENERAL BOTELHO: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Let's go next to Dick Bishop.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.    DICK    BISHOP,      Alaska      Outdoor      Council:       Thank    you    Mr.    Chairman.       My                   
name's      Dick     Bishop.      I   live     near    Fairbanks        in   an    urban     area.     I   am                   
speaking       on   behalf      of   the   Alaska      Outdoor      Council      and    appreciate       the                    
opportunity         to   address      the   committee        and   I   will    try    to   address      your                    
queries      or   the   areas     that    you   indicated       were    of   particular       importance                        
first     and     then,     hopefully,        I'll     stick     to    that     but    I   may    have     to                   
elaborate a little bit longer as well as the attorney general did.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
I'd    start      out    by    saying      that     I   really      appreciate         the    Governor's                        
comment      yesterday       that    I  heard    over    the    radio    on   a  newscast       that    each                    
and    every    word    is   extremely        important       in   a  constitutional          amendment.                        
I   think     that's      something        that's      essential       that     all    of    us   who    are                    
considering         changes,      and    especially        legislators        since     they     have    the                    
decision       making      responsibility,           have    to    keep    in    mind    so   I   may    get                    
back    to   that    later.     But,    overall,       I'd   like     to  point     out    that    from    my                   
standpoint        and     the    standpoint        of    the    Alaska      Outdoor       Council,       the                    
imperative         that's      implied      in    questions        or    statements        one     through                      
three     here,     we   don't     believe       are   imperatives.          For   example,       it    says                    
the    state     constitution         needs     to   be    changed,      etcetera,        to   allow     the                    
legislature        to    assign     a   preference        for   subsistence         hunting      based     on                   
local     residence.       Well,     we  would     take    exception       to   that.    We   don't     feel                    
that    the    state     constitution         necessarily        needs     to   be   changed      in    that                    
way.    These     questions       very    significantly          relate     to   what    I've    heard     in                   
the    last    several       days    called      the   litmus      test    of    meeting      conformity                        
with    the    federal     law.     That's     -  in   our    view,    that    is   not    a  legitimate                        
litmus     test     because,      in   our    view,     the    federal      law   is   fatally      flawed                      
and    to   change      our    constitution,          modify      some     of   the    very     important                       
provisions         in     that      constitution,           both      from     the     standpoint          of                   
conservation,         that     is,   the    wise    use   of   wildlife       resources       -  fish    and                    
wildlife        and     other      resources        in    this      case,      and    also      from     the                    
standpoint        of   civil     rights,       Title     VIII    of   ANILCA      is   fatally      flawed                      
and   it   is   not    a  good    ideal     to   try   to   conform      to   that    law   despite      the                    
difficulties          that    the     conflict       between       the    state     and    federal       law                    
invite.      In   our    view     it   is   better      to   do   it   right     at    least     on   state                     
lands and waters than to simply work to conform to federal law.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
And    I  guess     I  would     like    to   respond     to   Senator      Lincoln's       question       in                   
that    regard,      what    if   you   don't     conform      to   federal      law.    Well,     what    if                   
you    don't     is   that     you   have     approximately          [indisc.]       state     lands     and                    
what     state     waters     we    still     have    authority        over     that    are    under     the                    
responsibility           and    authority       of    the    State     of   Alaska      and,     from    our                    
standpoint,        especially        since    it   includes      many    of   the   most    significant                         
fisheries       in    the    state,     that's      very    important        that    the    state     would                     
not    be  burdened       with    the    requirements        of   the    federal      law,    which     they                    
would     be    if   the    state     conforms       to    the    federal      law    and    takes      that                    
responsibility,           enacts      the   appropriate         statutes,       etcetera,        then    the                    
state     is   burdened      with    the    mandates      of   the    federal     law.     They    will    be                   
overseen       by    the    federal       agencies,        which     are     bound     by    ANILCA,       to                   
report     to   Congress       and   the    performance        of   the   state     will    be   measured                       
by   the    federal      courts,      ultimately        the   last     stop.    So,    we   don't     think                     
that's      a  good     standard,       a   good     litmus     test.     So    we   think     there     are                    
other     ways    to   look     for   to   get    out    of   this    box    that    we're     in,    which                     
I've     characterized           as    a    box     built      of    good     intentions         and     bad                    
judgment, and that is Title VIII of ANILCA.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
With    regard      to   place     of   residence,       the    first     statement,        I'd   like     to                   
remind      the    committee       and    the    legislature         and    the    public      that     when                    
this      question       came     before       the    Alaska       Supreme       Court,      they     ruled                     
against      using     place    of   residence       as   a  means    of   distinguishing          who   can                    
receive       the    priority.        They     summed      it    up    in   two     words,      extremely                       
crude,      and   they     didn't     mean    in   terms     of   morals,      they    meant     in   terms                     
of   its    ability      to   address     the    underlying        deed    of   the   law   that     it  was                    
supposed       to   address.       They     have    pointed      out    that     the   rural     priority                       
was    both     over-inclusive          of    those     who    depend      on   wild     resources       for                    
their     livelihood         and    under-inclusive           because      it   included       people      in                   
rural     Alaska     who   didn't      need    it  and    excluded,       by  the    stroke     of   a  pen,                    
those     in   urban     Alaska     who   did    need    it   and   they    pointed      to   records      to                   
verify      the    basis     for    the    decision       from     the   Department         of   Fish    and                    
Game    that    showed     there     is   a  significant        number     of   urban     residents      who                    
indeed      relied     on   the   use    of   fish    and   game,     in   particular        to  maintain                       
a   subsistence        lifestyle       fashion.      They    went    on   to  say    that    it  would     be                   
much     better      to   base     a   priority       on   individual         characteristics           that                    
related       to   -   excuse     me   -   the    needs     of   the    people      who    were    seeking                      
these     basic     necessities        and    that    that     would    be    less    invasive      of   the                    
common      use    and     equal     access      provisions        of    the    Constitution         so    we                   
don't      believe       that     place      of   residence         is   an    appropriate          way    to                   
distinguish         and     separate       subsistence         uses     and    we    agree     with     that                    
characterization of it that it's extremely true.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
With    regard     to   the    second     point,     rural    subsistence         limitation       -  again                     
I   would     object      to   the    idea     that    the    preference        must    be    limited      to                   
subsistence         hunting      and    fishing      [indisc.]       of   Alaska.      First     off,    you                    
know     we're      really      talking       about      two    different        things.       One     is    a                  
question       of   identity      and    philosophy       and    that    is   who   is   a   subsistence                        
user     and   who    determines        that.     That    is,    as   we've     heard     and    I'm    sure                    
you've      heard     over     the    last    several       days,     a  question       of    values     and                    
it's    not    a  question       that    you   or   I   or  the    legislature        collectively         or                   
anyone      can    really     determine.        If   I   want    to   be   able     to   identify      as    a                  
subsistence        user    and    I  place     those    values     among     my   highest     ones    and    I                  
believe       that     they     characterize          my    life     and     my   lifestyle         for    my                   
purposes,       that's      my   business.       Unfortunately,          or   fortunately        perhaps,                       
I   don't    think     it's    the    Legislature's         business       or   the   Governor's,        for                    
that     matter,      or   the    President's         as   far    as   that     goes.     But,     when    it                   
comes     to   providing       a  priority       for   the    uses    of   public,      commonly      held,                     
common      property      resources,        then    it   is   the   Legislature's          business,       in                   
this    case,     to   decide     who    should     receive      the    priority      among     those    who                    
wish     to   consider       themselves        a  subsistence         user    and    who    may    wish    to                   
qualify        for     that      priority.        So     we    have      two     things.        It's     not                    
appropriate,          I   don't     think,      to   tell     people     they     are    or    are    not    a                  
subsistence         user     but    it    is   appropriate         for    the     state     through      the                    
normal      process       to   decide      who    among      those     people      who    may    identify                       
themselves        that    way   should     receive      the   priority,       if   there     is  one,    for                    
subsistence        uses    and    under    what    basis.     So,    I  don't     think    that    a  rural                     
limitation        is   appropriate.        There     are   people,      as   I  mentioned,       in   urban                     
Alaska        who     firmly        believe        -    passionately           believe,        they      are                    
subsistence         users      and    as    people      have     discussed       now     for    25   or    30                   
years,     the    spectrum      of   those     who   identified       themselves        in   that    way   is                   
extremely       broad.     It   runs    really     across     the    society.      So,    I  don't    think                     
that's       -   and    we    don't     think      and    never      have,      the    Alaska      Outdoor                      
Council,       that     the    rural     subsistence         preference        must     be   limited       to                   
subsistence        hunting      and    fishing      in   rural    Alaska      or,   for    that    matter,                      
by   rural     Alaskans.        The   important        thing,     I   think,      is   with    regard      to                   
deciding       who    has    the    priority      is    in   order     to   assure      that     no   one's                     
opportunities           are    compromised          that     the     same     standards         could      be                   
devised      -  standards       that    are   devised      should     be   the   same    for    those    who                    
live    in    urban     Alaska      and   those      who   live     in   rural     Alaska.       The    same                    
values     underlie      the    reason     for   the    priority.       The   desire     to   have    one   -                   
the same standards should apply.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
It   was    interesting         the    attorney       general      brought      up   the    subsistence                         
summer      from    last     summer      in   this    regard,       with    regard      to   values      and                    
where     the   priority      goes    and    what    the   limitations        should     be   because      at                   
that    summit     the    participants         agreed     to   adopt     as   an   overall      statement                       
of   the   role    of   subsistence        in   the   lives     of  Alaskans       the   findings       from                    
Alaska      statutes       that     were    passed      in    1992,     which     as    I   pointed      out                    
before      -  I   drafted      first     for   Governor       Hickel's       subsistence        advisory                       
council      and    in    those     findings       we   attempted        to   identify       the    shared                      
values     and    the   fact    they    are   not    limited     to   rural,     urban,     non-Native,                         
etcetera,       and     pointed      out    this,    and    I'll    read    a  little      bit   from    it.                    
'Although       customs,       traditions       and    beliefs      vary,     these    Alaskans       share                     
ideals      of    respect       for    nature,       the     importance        of    using      resources                       
wisely,      and   the    value     and   dignity      of   a  way    of  life    in   which     they    use                    
Alaska's      fish    and    game    for   a  substantial        portion      of   their    sustenance.                         
This    way   of   life    is   recognized       as   subsistence.'         And    it   goes    on  to   say                    
that     these     customary       and    traditional         uses     originated        with    Alaska's                       
Native     people     and    have    been    adopted     and    supplemented,         imitated      and    so                   
on     by     others        and     that       they      are      socially,         culturally,          and                    
philosophically           and   so   on   important       among     us   all.    So   I'd   just    remind                      
you    that     as   an   important        consideration          of   what     kind     of   limitation                        
should     there     be.    Should     there     be   a   rural    limitation?         Should     it   be   a                   
place of residence? Something to keep in mind.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lastly      on   that    subject,       I   can't     ever    consider       this     subject      without                      
thinking        of    Elizabeth        Peratrovich          who    successfully          testified         on                   
behalf      of   civil     rights      for    Alaska     Natives       in   the    early     '50s,     if   I                   
remember       correctly,         and    essentially         turned      the    Alaska      Territorial                         
Senate     on   its    ear   with    her    speech     after     they    had   derided      the    idea    of                   
a   civil     rights     law    that     accorded      equal     treatment        to   Alaska      Natives                      
and   criticized        the   idea    very    -  very    poorly     actually.       At   that    time    the                    
tradition        was    that    people      could      stand     up   in    the    gallery      and     have                    
their     say,    which    she    did.    And    she   said    -  you    know    it's    surprising        to                   
me,   and    I  won't    quote     entirely      -   it's    surprising       to   me   that    I  have    to                   
stand     here    and    remind     you    gentlemen       of   our    Bill    of   Rights.      And    what                    
she    was    seeking       was    equal     rights      for     Alaska     Natives,        not    special                      
rights     -   not   special      rights     for    rural     people,     not    special      rights     for                    
Native     people     but    equal    rights     for    all   Alaskans.       She   made    a   huge    step                    
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
With    regard      to   customary       and    traditional        use,    this     is   a  problematic                         
term    and    I  disagree       that    the    subsistence         preference       must     be   limited                      
to   that.     However,       it   has    potential        with    advantageous         use    but    under                     
the    terms    of   the   federal      law    with   which     the   state     would     eventually       be                   
in   conformity        if   HJR   201    -  I  had    to   change     my   button     -  it   said    41,    I                  
had    to   stick    on   a   little     deal    over    the   top    that    says    HR   201   -   is  the                    
urban     rural     divide.       I  had    to    change     that     this    morning       but,    at   any                    
rate,     if    the    state     conforms       to   the    federal      law,     then     there     really                     
needs      to    be    change       in    the    federal       definition         of    customary        and                    
traditional         use.    The    reason     is   that    so   far,     it's    been    a  blank     check                     
for    the   extent      and   amount     both    and    kind    of   uses    by   those     who   qualify                      
for    the    subsistence         priority      and    it    has   brought       some    rather      severe                     
constraints         on   management.        For    example,       in   the   Bobby     (ph)     case,    the                    
judge,      Judge     Holland,      decided       and   told     the   state     at   that     time        it                   
was     in   compliance,         you     can't     substitute        abundant        fish    for     scarce                     
moose.      You   have    to   create      regulations        that    accommodate        customary       and                    
traditional         use   unless     you    can   prove     to   me   that    that    use   is   going     to                   
threaten       the   viability       or   the   well    being     of  the    moose    population.        So,                    
on   the    one   hand    you    just    had   a   set   of   evidence       that    established        that                    
there     was    customary       and    traditional        use    there,     on   the    other     hand    if                   
that     were    to   be   challenged        by   the    state     on   the    issue     of   whether      it                   
was    a  threat     to   the    population,        you    would    have    to   do   it   on   the   basis                     
of    a   scientific        study      by   the    state      that    would      prove     a   very     high                    
probability        that    that    was    a  problem      for   conservation         or   wise   use.    So,                    
if   there     is   -   if   customary       and    traditional        use    continues       to   be   used                    
and    especially       if   it   were    a   case    of   the   state     coming     into    conformity                        
with     the    federal       law,    then     it,    at    the    very    least,      ought      to   be    a                  
requirement         in    ANILCA,       an    amendment       to    ANILCA      that     would      make     a                  
requirement          that     it    conform       to    the     definition        of    customary        and                    
traditional          use    as     defined       in    state     law     and     I   would      urge     the                    
legislature        at   that    point     to   look   carefully       at   that    definition        again.                     
                                                                                                                                
An    interesting         sidelight       on    customary       and     traditional        use    and    the                    
terms     of   HJR   201   and    of   the   federal      law   is   that,    if   you'll     notice,      it                   
says     that    a  subsistence         preference        for   rural     residents       would     have     a                  
priority        over      all     other      consumptive          uses     of     resources.         It    is                   
painfully        silent     on   how    it   would     compete      with    non-consumptive           uses.                     
There      is   nothing      in    either     in    the    federal      law    or   in    HJR    201    that                    
gives     even    subsistence         uses    a  priority       over    non-consumptive          uses.     In                   
my    view,     that     is   something        that    could     lead     to   mischief       eventually                        
where      people     -   and    it's     actually       happened       in   proposals        before     the                    
Board     of    Game,     people     have     proposed      that     there     be   no   hunting      areas                     
where     there     is   wildlife       viewing      so   that's     something       to    keep    in   mind                    
too.     It    was    kind     of   a   hollow      victory       in   a   sense.      Fortunately         it                   
hasn't      caused     too    much    problem      for    hunters      and    subsistence        users     so                   
far.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Then    to   the   last    point     -  legislative        discretion.        It's    -   we  think     it's                    
extremely        important       that,     with    regard      to   the   may-shall        choice,      that                    
it    be    made.      That     does     put    the     responsibility           and    authority        for                    
deciding       what    the    right     treatment       of   the    subsistence        uses    is   in   the                    
hands     of   the   legislature        where     it  belongs.       It's    my   understanding         that                    
if   the    word    shall     is   used,    then    that    responsibility          and    authority       is                   
removed      and    it   is   the    courts,      be   they    state     or   federal      depending       on                   
the    law,    will     decide     what     the   interpretation          of    that    constitutional                          
language       is.   So,    that    would     be   a  pickle      to   get   into    for    sure    if   the                    
legislature        passed      the   law    and   said    -  and    agreed     to   passing      shall     in                   
there     and   low   and    behold     they    woke    up   a  year    later    and    found    out    they                    
had    essentially         handed     off    the    authority       to    create     the    appropriate                         
kind    of   law    to  provide      for    subsistence        use    and   as   necessary       limit     it                   
or   other     related      uses.     So,   as   I   mentioned       at   the    outset,      I'm   really                      
glad    that     Governor       Knowles      pointed      out    the    importance        of    examining                       
the    significance        and    -  pointing       out   the    significance         of   each    word    of                   
the Constitution and examining that very carefully.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
And    in  that     regard,     I   would    add    one   almost      final    comment      and    that    is                   
that    the   maker     of   the   use   of   the    words    in   HJR   201    is  very    troublesome                         
in    that     the    only     subsistence         traditions         among      Alaskans       that,      by                   
policy,       would      be     recognized         by    the     State      of     Alaska,       are     the                    
subsistence         traditions        of   Alaska's        indigenous        people.      The    question                       
that     comes     to   mind     is   did    the    authors       believe      that     there     were     no                   
other     traditions        related      to   subsistence         among    other     Alaskans       or   did                    
they      believe         that      those       traditions          were       inconsequential             or                   
insignificant          or   of   no   account      and    just    what     does    it   mean     and    what                    
does    it   mean     when    you    take    that    language       and    go   to   Part    B   where     is                   
says    that     customary       and    traditional         use    by   rural     residents       will     be                   
given preference.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: I think we need to wrap up here.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BISHOP:     Okay     -  which     customary       and   traditional        use,     by  whom,     and                    
how   that    will    affect     those     in   urban    Alaska.      I  thank     you   very    much    for                    
your time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Taylor and then Senator Halford.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      Yes,    very    briefly.       I'm   assuming       you're     in   opposition                        
to the Governor's bill that's before us?                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BISHOP: That's a correct assumption Mr. Senator.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      Can    you    tell    me,    of   the    state's      103    to   105    million                      
acres      of   land,      adding      to    that     the    state's       jurisdiction         over     all                    
navigable       waters     -   every    stream,      river,      all   waters     seaward      of   us   for                    
three     miles,     and    the    lands     conveyed      to   both     Native     corporations         and                    
Native     villages       and    the   private       lands    owned     within      the   state,      under                     
whose jurisdiction are those waters and lands today?                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BISHOP:       Mr.     Chairman,        Senator      Taylor,       in    general,       under      the                    
state's      jurisdiction,          there's      a  dispute      over     some    portion      of   that    -                   
those      waters      and     submerged        lands     and     I   don't      know     how     much     is                   
involved.       Those     so   called     reserve      waters,      which     under    the    Katie     John                    
case,      the    federal       court     ruled      that     the    state      had    -   the     federal                      
government        had    the    authority        to   manage      for    subsistence         so   I   don't                     
know     how    much    is   involved       there.      It   certainly        takes     away     from    the                    
state's      navigable        waters      quotients       I   guess     you    could      call    it,    but                    
other      than     that,      all     of    them     are    under      the     responsibility           and                    
authority        of   the   State     of   Alaska      -  state,      private      lands    and    waters,                      
including         navigable        waters,        except      those       disputed        perhaps,       and                    
private lands and waters.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      What     would     happen     to   state     jurisdiction         over    all    of                   
those      lands,     waters,       Native      village      land,      the    corporate       land,     all                    
state     land,    all    private      land,    all   the    waters     of   the   state.     What    would                     
happen?      Who   would     be   in   charge     of  and    who   would     have    the   jurisdiction                         
over    those     lands     and   waters      upon    passage      of   something       like    this    that                    
has been proposed by the Governor.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.     BISHOP:       Assuming        that     -   Mr.     Chairman        and    Senator       Taylor       -                  
assuming       that    the    state    then    accepted       the   responsibility           and   created                      
the    appropriate         laws    and    so   on,    the    state     would     be   responsible        for                    
administering          the   federal      law    as   it   related     to   Title     VIII    of   ANILCA.                      
They     would     have    the    role    of   -   it   depends      on   if   you're     having      a  bad                    
day    or   not,     the    hireling,       the    lackey,      the    servant,      the    -   whatever,                       
you    know,     hired     hand     of   the    government.         In   terms     of,    in   our    view,                     
which      law     dictates       ultimately         how    management         would      be    conducted                       
because      Title     VIII    demands     laws    of   general      applicability         on   behalf     of                   
the    State,      then     the    terms      of   the    federal       law    would      apply     to   100                    
percent of Alaska.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Halford.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       Thank      you    Mr.    Chairman.        I'm     -   I   mean     obviously                       
there's        agreement         that     subsistence          -    there       may     be    definition                        
differences,         but    subsistence        in   the    time    of   need     is   the   highest      and                    
best       use     but      we're       debating        what       method       of     allocation          is                   
constitutional          and    it's    been     held    by   our   Supreme      Court     and    by   a  lot                    
of   us    for   a   great     many    years     that    rural     was    too    blunt.     I   guess    the                    
question       that    followed       and   the    question      that    an   alternative        proposal                       
brings      out    is   local      is   a   little      bit    sharper      but    not    in   your     view                    
sharp     enough.      But   I  think     I  hear    you   saying     that    no   criteria      short     of                   
individual criteria is sharp enough. Is that what you're saying?                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.     BISHOP:      Mr.     Chairman,        Senator      Halford.        That's      basically        what                    
we're     saying.      We   think     if   the    priority      or   preference        is   going     to   be                   
provided       in   a  fair     fashion      to   all   Alaskans,        then    we   take    comfort,       I                  
guess,      in    the    advice      of   the    Alaska      Supreme       Court     that     a  priority                       
based     on   individual        characteristics          would     be   far    preferable       and    less                    
invasive        of    the    common      use     equal      access      provisions        of    the     U.S.                    
Constitution as it stands today.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      It's    just    hard    to   view    fairness      upon    -   on  a  relative                       
scale      and    then     apply     administrative           possibility         to    that     scale.      I                  
start     at   the    same    place     but   I   come    back    to   some    point     where     I  think                     
the     Supreme       Court      would      say    that      there     may     be    some     collective                        
determination          that     are    accurate      enough      and    reasonable        enough      to   be                   
constitutional.           The   things     that    we   like    -  none    of   us   like    to  think     of                   
our    constitutional           rights     as   relative       but    we   really      know    that     they                    
all    are   and   that    the    world    is   full    of   all   kinds     of   discrimination         and                    
there's           constitutionally                 permissible              discrimination               and                    
constitutionally            impermissible          discrimination.           I   wish    I   could      find                    
the     right      set     of    reasonable          criteria       that      didn't       have     to     be                   
administered         individually         because       I  believe      that's      an   impossibility                          
that    would     actually       be   accurate      enough      to   fit   kind     of   the   middle      of                   
that    mold     on   what's     constitutional          and    what    isn't     and    that's     pretty                      
hard.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BISHOP:      It's    tough     and   I  empathize       with    the   legislature         in  trying                      
to find that correct treatment.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      Well    -   I  mean    I  think     obviously       going     to   local    is   a                   
huge    step    in   the   right     direction       but   that    doesn't      mean    that    will    make                    
it work. Obviously it depends on what everything says.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BISHOP:     Mr.    Chairman,       Senator      Halford,      one    of   the   other     comments                       
that    was   made    in   the   McDowell       case    was   a  discussion,        I   can't    remember                       
it    accurately         offhand,        but,     about      the     question        of    a    community                       
priority      versus     an   individual        community,       basically       what    they    said    was                    
that     the     community        was     the     sum    of    the     individuals         and     I    have                    
sometimes       thought      that     if   you're     looking      at    an   individual        priority,                       
for    example,      then    it's    not    illogical       to   think    that    you    could     sum   the                    
individual        priorities        in    a   place     that    could      be   characterized          as   a                   
community       priority.       Would     it   fly   constitutionally?            I   don't    know.     But                    
logically       or   rationally,        you   know    if   the   individual        priority      is   okay,                     
then    the    sum    of   the   individual        priorities        presumably        might     be   okay.                     
You   get    into    some    deep    equal    protection        waters     there,     I  think,     that    I                   
don't have high enough boots on today to get into.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Well    and    you    complicate        it   with     proxy     harvest      and                    
the   fact    that    only    a  very    small     percentage       of   the    people     are   actually                       
the    harvesters        for    the    whole     community        and    they    may    be   the    people                      
through      ambition,       experience        or    whatever,       who    would     be   specifically                         
excluded from any individual criteria based on need.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BISHOP:      Mr.   Chairman       and    Senator      Halford,      I   think     that's     a   good                    
thing     to   explore     because      -   I'm   just    speaking       for   myself      now,    I  can't                     
say    that    AOC's    actually       considered        this    question      so   don't     take    it   as                   
AOC's     scare     tactics      or   anything       but    with    regard      to   the    question       of                   
being     based    on   need    or   dependence,        I  don't    know    that    that    necessarily                         
equates      entirely       to    whether      you're      rich    or    poor.     You    know    if,    for                    
example,       you    choose      to    rely     heavily       on   resources        as    a   matter      of                   
lifestyle,        you    may    have     a   significant        income      I   suppose,       but    still                     
that    is   a  part    of   your    -   again    it   goes    back    to   being     related      to   your                    
values      and    if   that's      the    way    you    want    to    live,     you    know,     I   don't                     
know.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: One last question.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Halford.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       What     would      you    think      if    the    federal       government                        
passed      an   amendment        to   ANILCA      that     just    said     that    for    purposes       of                   
this act, all Alaska residents are considered to be rural?                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BISHOP:     Well,     Mr.   Chairman,       Senator      Halford,      I   think    with    respect                      
to   the    question      of   subsistence,         they'd     be   a  lot    closer     than    they    are                    
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Because      we're     -   most    of   what     we   talk    about     is   the                    
difference between Tier I and Tier II.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        Other    questions?        [No    response.]       Okay,     next    we'll                     
go   to   Julie     Kitka     and    maybe    Loretta.       Do   you    want    to   both    come    up   or                   
one at a time or however you want to do it?                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
INAUDIBLE COMMENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:       Oh,    okay,    that'd     be   fine.     Loretta     come    -  please      -                  
and    if  you    would    just    introduce       yourselves        for   the    record.     That's     for                    
the camera so...                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.    LORETTA      BULLARD,       President       of   Kawerak,       Inc.:     Good    afternoon.        My                   
name     is   Loretta      Bullard      and   I   am   president       of   Kawerak,       which    is   the                    
regional       non-profit       for    the   Bering     Straits      region     of   Alaska     and   thank                     
you     for    this     opportunity         to   testify.        We're     a   regional       non-profit                        
consortium         authorized         by    the    20    tribally        -   federally        recognized                        
tribal      governments         in    the     Bering      Straits      region      and     I'm    here     on                   
behalf     of   our    corporation        today    and    just    to  express      our    support     for    a                  
state      constitutional            amendment        allowing        the    state      to    come      into                    
compliance         with      ANILCA.       We    support       the     constitutional           amendment                       
proposed        by     Governor        Knowles        provided        that      it's     coupled        with                    
implementing          legislation        that     brings      the    state     into    compliance.         We                   
urge      the     Alaska       Legislature          to    allow       Alaskans        to    vote      on     a                  
constitutional            amendment        so    that      we    can     bring      closure       to    this                    
divisive       issue.     In   the    Bering     Straits      region     of   Alaska     we   have    about                     
9,000     individuals        residing       in   the   region      and   I  would     guestimate        that                    
probably       about    7,000     of   those    are   Alaska      Native.     Nome    is   about     4,000,                     
of   which     is   about     50-50     and    then    in   our    villages      it's     predominantly                         
Alaska      Native.      The   folks     in   our   villages       are   very,     very    dependent       on                   
the     resources        of   the     area     -   fish,      marine      mammals,       birds      and    we                   
believe      that     the    harvesting        and   using     of   fish     and    game    in   our    area                    
and    in   other     areas     of   the    state     is   such    a   core    part    of   our    culture                      
that     unless      that     ability      to   harvest       those     resources        is   protected,                        
that     we   feel    that     over    time    that     our   cultures       and    the    resources       on                   
which     we    depend     on   if      [indisc.]       allowed      access      to   those     resources                       
our ability to follow our way of life in rural Alaska will diminish.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Regardless         of    how    anti-subsistence             activists        and    legislators         may                    
address      their     arguments       in  terms     of   equal    protection,        state     rights     or                   
common      use,    in   essence      they    are    arguing,      and    this    is   from     our   point                     
of    view,     that    the    urban     majority       has    a   paramount        right     to   destroy                      
minority       [indisc.]       culture     by   sheer     weight     of   numbers.      I  used    to   live                    
in   the    Anchorage       area    and    like    many    of   you    I'm    sure,    have     gone    down                    
to   the    Kenai     River     and    fished     there     at   Russian      River     and    I've     seen                    
the    combat     fishing      and    that's     kind    of    how   we   envision       the    onslaught                       
of   urban     people     when    they     come    to   the    rural    areas     and    it's    not    that                    
bad    in    our    area    but     I  think      there's      fear     of   that,      that    we    can't                     
compete      with    the   sheer     numbers     of   urban     residents       which    would     like    to                   
have     the    ability      to    hunt    and     fish    in    our    particular        areas.      While                     
Alaska     state     law   provides      that    subsistence        is   the    highest     use    of   fish                    
and     game      because       the     state      court      decisions         have     decided        that                    
everybody       is    a  subsistence         user,     in   reality      there     is    no   protection                        
for    subsistence        users     under    state     law   and    because      the   Bering      Straits                      
region     is   mostly      state    land,     there's      very    little     federal      land    in   our                    
area,      chances      are     we're     going      to   continue        to   remain      under      state                     
management.        I've    heard     folks    talk    about     they    want    to  do   an   individual                        
criteria.        They      want     to    see     the    systems       set     in    place      based      on                   
individual         criteria.        Using      myself      as    an    example,        I've     lived      in                   
Anchorage       but    the    time    I   lived     in   Anchorage       I   would     never     dream     to                   
present      myself      as   being    eligible       for    a  subsistence         priority.       I   live                    
in   rural     Alaska     and   using     individual        criteria,       assuming      that     part    of                   
that      might      be     income,        I    certainly         wouldn't        be     eligible        for                    
participation          as    a   subsistence         user,     you     know,     and    just     thinking                       
about     the     fact     that,     for    example,        when     we   go    to    fish     camp     it's                    
myself,       my   family,       extended       family,       I   mean     some     people      would      be                   
eligible,       others      wouldn't.       I   mean    I   don't     know    how    you're      going     to                   
split     those    hairs     in   terms     of   who   gets    to   participate        in   subsistence                         
fishing      and   who   does    not    and   so   I  just    think     that    individual       criteria                       
will not work.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Although       Kawerak       supports       a    state     constitutional           amendment        and    a                   
return      to   unified      fish     and    game    management        consistent        with     ANILCA,                      
this     is    by     no    means     the     way     -   no     means     universal         within      the                    
community.        I   think     that    was    AVCP    and    Tanana      Chiefs      Conference        that                    
testified        at     the    House      Resources         that     they      are    in     support       of                   
remaining          under       federal        management.           The      federal        subsistence                         
management        system      is    increasingly         appealing,        especially        in    regions                      
where     most     of   the    land    is    federal.      The    Alaska      boards,      of    fish    and                    
game     for    example,       are    politically         appointed        and    their     composition                         
depends      on   the    political        whim    of   the    governor       and    the    legislature,                         
which     I  think     was    illustrated        here    recently.        There's      a  real    risk     in                   
Alaska     that     individuals        in   institutions         that     oppose     our    way   of    life                    
will    be   vested     with    the    authority       to   destroy      the   very    foundations         of                   
our    culture.        We    need     continued        federal      oversight        to    protect       our                    
ability      to   live    off   of   the    land.    To   have    federal      [indisc.],        you    have                    
to have federal oversight.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Title      VIII     of    ANILCA      is    the     modern      equivalent         of   a    treaty.       It                   
replaces        the     aboriginal          hunting       and     fishing        rights       that      were                    
extinguished          in   ANCSA     and     is   just     as    much    a   part     of    the    overall                      
settlement        as   Native     lands     claim    as   was    the   transfer       title    to   Native                      
corporation        lands.      Nothing,       not   the    U.S.    Constitution,          nor    the    1867                    
purchase      of   Alaska     from    Russia,      nor   the    Statehood       Act,    not   ANCSA,     not                    
ANILCA,      gives    the    majority      urban     culture     in   Alaska     the    moral    or   legal                     
right to destroy the very foundation of our cultures.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In   response       to   the   four    points     that     have    been    identified       in   the    memo                    
for    this    hearing,       in   terms     of   place     of   residence,       we   believe      that     a                  
local     residence       subsistence        priority      might     be   developed       that   works     as                   
well     or   better     than    ANILCA      rural     preference.        We   think     that    doing     so                   
would     be   very    complex      and    that    the   language       creating      that    would     have                    
to   be    developed       along     with    the    constitutional          amendment       because      you                    
can't      analyze      that    unless      you    have     something       to    actually       look    at.                    
ANILCA      in   effect     is   already       a  local     preference        since     the   preference                        
is     for     non-wasteful          uses      and    subsistence          uses      are     defined       as                   
customary       and    traditional        uses    by   rural     residents.        The   customary       and                    
traditional          part     of    the     definition         implicitly         contains        a   local                     
limitation        since,      for    example,      there's      no    customary       and    traditional                        
use    of  fish    and    game    stocks     that    are   too    remote     for   community       access.                      
It   does     need    to   be,   I   think,     the    use   areas.      Local    use    areas     need    to                   
be   defined      pretty     broadly.      People     do   travel     a   long    ways,    for   example,                       
when    they're      going     caribou     hunting.       150,    200   miles     is  not    unusual.      We                   
suspect        it    would      be     possible       to     draw     up     the     rural      residence                       
limitation        and    develop     a   system     based     on   CNT   findings       and/or     a  local                     
priority       that     would     work    just    like     ANILCA     in   rural     areas     but    would                     
have    the    advantage       of   not    precluding       some    subsistence         priorities       for                    
urban     folks     in   their     own   areas     but    again     you   need     to   see   supporting                        
legislation         and   we   think     it   would     be   very     difficult       to   develop      this                    
in   a   special      session     actually.       The    more    a  proposal       deviates      from    the                    
existing       ANILCA     language,       the   more    complicated        the    discussion       and   the                    
more important it is to see the entire package.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
In    terms      of   the     legislative         discretion        on    the    may     versus      shall,                     
initially        our   region      -  it   didn't     really      matter     to   us   whether      it   was                    
may    versus      shall      but    yesterday,        I   think     it    was    Charlie      Cole,     was                    
testifying        in   the    House    Resources        Committee       [indisc.]       suggested       that                    
if    the    language       was    may,     that    the     parties      could     continue       to    seek                    
amendments         to    ANILCA      which      would     just      kind     of   drive      this     whole                     
process       on   for    the    next     20   or   30    years     with     people     going     back     to                   
Congress       trying     to   amend    ANILCA.      For   that    reason,      we   support     the    word                    
shall      in   the    constitutional           amendment.        We    don't     want     to    see    this                    
argument       carried      on   for    the   next    30,    40,    50   years.     It's    time    to   put                    
it to rest.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
I   encourage       the    state     legislature        to   put    a   constitutional          amendment                       
on    the    ballot      that    will     provide      a   rural     priority       for    subsistence.                         
Every     year     rural     Alaska's       engaged      the   -   six    times     -  rural     Alaska's                       
engaged      the    state    legislature         in   trying     to   get   this     issue    addressed.                        
We've      been     blocked       for     the    last     12    years      by    a    small     group      of                   
legislators         who   are    opposed      to   a   rural    priority.        We   need    to   address                      
this     issue      and    move     on.     The    longer      rural      Alaska      stays     with     the                    
federal      system,      the    better     that    system     is   working      and    the   situation,                        
if    it's     allowed       to    continue,        will     evolve       to    the    point      where      a                  
majority       of   rural    Alaskans       will    oppose     a   return     to   state     management.                        
The    state     is    already      losing      many    of    its    experienced        fish     and    game                    
personnel        to   the    federal      system      who    collect      their     state     retirement                        
and    go    to    work    for     the    feds.     Right     now     the    state     has    management                        
authority       over    104    million      acres     of   state     land    and    44   million      acres                     
of   Native     lands.      The    feds    own   and    manage     the    rest.     Unless     the    state                     
legislature         acts     to    gain     management        by    amending       the     Constitution                         
[indisc.]. Thank you for the opportunity to testify.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        We'll     pick     that    up    in   a   minute.      My   staff      just                    
left so we'll get that handed out. Questions? Senator Taylor.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      Thank     you    for    your     testimony.        I  appreciate        it.    I'm                    
trying      to   understand        the    fear    -   the   Russian       River     example      that    you                    
used.     I  mean     I've    been    there     and   I   can   assure      you   I'm    frightened        of                   
it   too.    They    haven't      got   a   road    to   Wrangell      yet    so   I  [indisc.]       heard                     
about     them    reaching       there     but...     Under     state     management        do   you    have                    
any    example       of    people      within      your     region      being     denied       access      to                   
subsistence resources by the state?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.    BULLARD:      Yes,    I  do   actually.       I   would    say    just    recently      the    state                     
finally      changed      its   game    [indisc.]        regulations        in   our   area    from     once                    
every     four    -   it   was    once    every     four     years    for    both     subsistence        and                    
sports     hunting      and    part    of   this,    it's    probably       been    for    the   10   years                     
prior to that we were trying to get them to amend....[END OF TAPE]                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-33, SIDE A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.    BULLARD:      ...years       ago    but    part    of   that    used     to   be   on   an   annual                      
basis     and,    for    example,       my   uncle     that    used    to    go   out   every     year     to                   
get    a  spring     bear     was   unable      to   do   that    when    it   was    once    every     four                    
years.     Then     he   went    out   once     every    four     years    to   get    a  bear.     Now    we                   
have     this     huge     bear    population         in   our     area,     which     Fish     and     Game                    
finally      made    the   change     to   allow     people     to  take    annual      takes    of   bears                     
but    we   had   to   argue     that    point     for    ten   years     before      the   state     Board                     
of Game process.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: But you've had it now for four years?                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.    BULLARD:      For    four    years,     and   now    people     are    hardly     hunting      bears                     
anymore.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: Yea, I understand that. Thank you.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Any questions? Senator Lincoln.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:      Just     a  quick     comment.      I  appreciate        the    folks    in   the                    
room    staying       around     the    three     extra     days    waiting      to   be    heard     and   I                   
know    you   have    a  plane     to   catch    and    I  would    have    said    that    to   Dick    too                    
but    I  know    he   is   here    most    of   the    time,     but   I   do   want    to   express      my                   
appreciation for you and others who have stayed around to testify.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:       Are    you    going    on    the   7   o'clock?      Is   that    ...?     If                   
there     are   no   more    questions       you   can   certainly       leave     or   wait    for   Julie                     
or whatever you like.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: She's getting home.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN: We will eventually too.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: It all depends on you.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:45 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.    JULIE     KITKA,      President,       Alaska      Federation        of   Natives      (AFN):     Mr.                    
Chairman,       I   would    like    to   ask    Carol     Daniels     to   accompany       me   up   here.                     
Well,     first    of   all,    Mr.    Chairman      and   members      of   the   committee,        I  want                    
to   extend      our   appreciation         for   you    holding      this    hearing.      I   know    that                    
you    have    many    issues     that    you're      dealing      with    and   many    crises      and   it                   
is    an     intensely        difficult        period      of    time      to    kind     of    focus      on                   
anything,        let     alone     this     issue      on    that     and    I   do    appreciate        the                    
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
First     of   all,    I   want    to   note    that    we   have     a  number     of    distinguished                         
Native      leaders      in    the    audience       who,    if    time    were     allowed      on   that,                     
would       have     been      more      than      willing       to     provide       very      important                       
information        to   the    committee       of  what's     happening       on   the    ground     in  our                    
villages        and    why     they     do    or    do    not     support       a   return      to    state                     
management        -  and   a   reference       -  the   president       and   distinguished          former                     
legislator         Martin      Ivan,     and    the     president       of    AVCP     who    is    in   the                    
audience.        And,    like     I  said,     there's      other     folks     that     are   here     that                    
have     very     important        perspectives          so   if    at    some     point     there's       an                   
opportunity          for     opening        up     the     hearing       or     getting       additional                        
witnesses       and    stuff,     there's      people     that     have    traveled      in   that    would                     
be very helpful.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
So,    I   want     to    just    alert      the    committee       that     we    have,     at   our    own                    
expense      in   our   own    effort     to   be  helpful      to   you   and    your    deliberations                         
on   that,     assembled       a  team    of   resource      people     that    are   both    experts      in                   
both      federal        Indian        law,      that      are      experts        in     co-management                         
arrangements          that    have     a   number      of   different        expertises,         that    can                    
contribute        should     there     be   an   opportunity        to   move    forward      and    try   to                   
pull    all    of   the   pieces      together      for    resolution       on   that    that    we   have,                     
like     I  said,     put    together      a   good    team     to   try   to    be   helpful.      I   also                    
just     want    to   state,      for    the   record,      many     people     think     that     we   just                    
are    advocating        for   our    own    needs    and    our    own   people      on   that    but   our                    
view    is   the   welfare      of   the   resource       is  very    important       and    that    is  one                    
of   the    reasons      why   we   stay    at   the   table,      not   only    to   try   to   help    the                    
state     regain      some    semblance        of   harmony      and    bridge      this    divide      that                    
keeps     growing,       but    we    do   care     about     the    resource       under     split     dual                    
management        and   whether      or   not,    in   the    long    term,     that    is  going     to   be                   
helpful      or   harmful      to   the   resource,       as   well    as   our    people     who    depend                     
on it.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
I   also     wanted      to   highlight        a  few     things     that     are    new.     There's      an                   
awful     lot    that    we    can   provide      to    the   committee        that    we   would     think                     
would     be    helpful      for    your     deliberations          and   many     of   you    have     seen                    
that     over    the    years     but    I  did    want    to    put   in    the   record      a   13   page                    
analysis      that     we   put   together       of  what     our   advisors       believe     the    state                     
needs     to   do   to   reassume      management        and    we   offer     it   in   the   spirit      of                   
being     helpful.       We   urge    your     committee       counsel      to   take     a  look     at   it                   
and    if    you    agree      or   disagree       on    that,      but    that's      our    definitive                        
assessment        of   what    it   takes     for   the    state     to   regain     and    I'd    like    to                   
have that introduced in the record. [See Appendix I.]                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The    second       thing     I    would     like     to    introduce        on    the    record      is    a                   
videotaped        copy,     and   we   don't     have    a   written      copy,     of   a  recent      U.S.                    
Senate      Indian     Affairs      congressional          hearing      on   subsistence         that    was                    
chaired       by   Senator       Inouye      and    other      senators       attending        -   Senator                      
Frank     Murkowski       and    Senator      Ben    Nighthorse-Campbell             from     Colorado      -                   
and   I   ask   that    that    be   put   into    the   record,      primarily       for   a   couple     of                   
things,       is,     we    asked      for    that     hearing       primarily         to    inform      the                    
committee       of   what    was   happening       on   the   ground     in   our   communities         with                    
the    fish    shortages       and    to   be    able    to   lay    out    for   the    congressional                          
committee         the      seriousness           of     this       continuing          conflict,         the                    
seriousness        of   how   everything        that    is   going    on   impacts      real    people     in                   
their     real    lives     and    I'd   like    to   introduce        that    into    the    record.      At                   
some    point,     you    know,     that    might    be   something       that    you    might     want    to                   
reference       back,     if   you    want     a  refresh      why    we're     all    doing     this    and                    
why    we're    working      real    hard    to   try    to   resolve     it   is   there     really     are                    
people     that    are    depending       upon    this    and    they    are   being     harmed     by   the                    
current      impasses       going    on.      The    second     reason     why    we   asked     for    this                    
congressional         hearing      is   the   Native     people,      as   many    of   you   know,     have                    
not    sat   on   the    sidelines       during      all   these     years.      We   have    constantly                        
tried     to   look    at   solutions       and    bring     forward      ideas     and   so   we   wanted                      
to    inform      the    congressional           committee        what     our    best     thinking        of                   
Native     solutions        and   there     was    a  range     of   solutions       on   that    but    if,                    
in    your     reference,        if    this     doesn't      get     resolved       in    this     special                      
session,      if   you    want    to   take    a  look    at   some    of   our    best    thinking,       we                   
want     to   introduce        it   in    the    record      just     for    your    information         and                    
review.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[A   COPY     OF   THE    VIDEOTAPE       OF   THE    U.S.    SENATE      INDIAN      AFFAIRS      HEARING                      
THAT     MS.     KITKA      REFERRED       TO    IS    LOCATED       IN    THE     SENATE       RESOURCES                       
COMMITTEE FILE IN THE LEGISLATIVE LIBRARY.]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
We   also    wanted     at   the   time    to   have    the   best    thinking      of   the    state    and                    
the    federal     government        on   what    the    status     quo   is   and    that,    again,      is                   
in   the   hearing      record     -  a  snapshot       from    the   state's      perspective        and   a                   
snapshot      from     the   federal      so   just    take    a  look    at   that    and    you'll     get                    
a  good     hands-on      view    of   what's      going    on   and    I  urge     -  if   you    do   have                    
the    time    to    take    a   look    at    that,     both    the    video     or   the    unofficial                        
written copy.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The    third      document       I'd    like     to   put    on    the    record,       and    would     ask                    
permission        to   do   that,     would     be   a  couple      of   documents       [Appendix       II]                    
from      churches       that      is    recent       new     things       -    both     the     Catholic                       
perspective         on    subsistence,          the    current       pastoral       letter      that     the                    
Catholic      church      and   bishops      put    out   in   the    state    on   that    and    I  think                     
that    that    is   a   new   development,         the   churches       stepping      forward      saying                      
there     is   a  spiritual       aspect      to  what     is  going     on.    There's      a  religious                       
freedom       aspect     to    it.   There's       a  moral      issue     at   stake     and    both    the                    
Catholic       pastoral       letter     as   well     as   the    Episcopalian         statement       from                    
the    Bishop      of    Alaska      on   that     I   think     will     give     you    a   very    clear                     
picture       in     very     recent       terms      of    their      deliberations          and     their                     
meetings        and    what     they     feel     [indisc.]         and,     again,      we    feel     very                    
strongly        that     there      is   a    very     serious       religious        aspect      in    this                    
conflict       that    is  very    much    in   danger     of   being     trampled      upon    as   people                     
look     at   quick     and    easy     solutions        on   that     and    we   urge    you    in    your                    
deliberations to reflect on that aspect.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The    fourth     document      I'd    like    to  ask    to  be   included       into    the   record     is                   
a    recent       Alaska       Advisory        Committee         to     the     U.S.     Civil       Rights                     
Commission        report,      which     was   released       just    several      weeks    ago.    It's     a                  
53-page       document        specifically         on    Alaska.       Many     of    you    recall      the                    
horrid      paintball        incident       in    the    state      and    the    lack     of    a   really                     
timely      response       by    any    governmental          or   other      entity      to   provide       a                  
forum     for    people     to   express      their    pain    in   what    has    been    going     on.   In                   
response       to   that,     we   asked     the   U.S.     Civil     Rights     Commission        to   come                    
up.    They've      held    several      hearings       on   that.     They    have     released      their                     
preliminary         report.       It's     53   pages      and    there      is   a   segment       on   the                    
subsistence         hunting       and    fishing       rights      and     I   bring     that     to    your                    
attention,         especially         in    light     of    previous        testimony        referencing                        
civil     rights     and   what    that    is   and   I   also    urge    you   to   consider      at   your                    
very       earliest        opportunity           a    very       serious        inquiry,         by     this                    
legislature,          in   the    things     that     are    documented        in   the    reports      both                    
dealing      with    homicides        and   unresolved        murders      and   discrimination          and                    
a   whole     range    of   things      on   that.     We   are   going     to   be   asking     the    U.S.                    
Attorney       General      and   the    Justice      Department       to   take    a   look    at   it  but                    
I   strongly       feel    that     this    is   also     a  legislative         and    administrative                          
responsibility.           I  particularly         bring     this    to   your    attention       with    the                    
segment       on    subsistence         hunting       and     fishing      but     I   do    think      that                    
there's      a   whole    lot    of   really     critical,       important       issues     that     I  feel                    
that    you    would    not    be  fulfilling        the   best    responsibility          to   all   of   us                   
citizens on that if that was not given some serious attention.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[The    Alaska     Advisory       Committee       to  the    U.S.    Commission       on   Civil     Rights                     
report            can          be         accessed            on          the         internet             at                   
www.usccr.gov/pubs/aksac02/main.htm                         or     in     the     Senate        Resources                     
Committee file in the Legislative Library.]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The    next    item    I'd    like    to  ask    to   be   included      in   the    record,     and    this                    
is    in   specific       response      -   we've     participated         in   the    hearing      in   the                    
House      Resources       Committee        the    other      day    chaired      by    Representative                          
Beverly       Masek      and     one     of    the    first      witnesses        was     one     of    your                    
colleagues,         Senator      Jerry    Ward,     introducing        his    draft     legislation        on                   
a   local     preference       and    we   have    put    together       a  more    refined      analysis                       
than    what    we   were    able    to   give    at  that    time,     both    a  one-page      analysis                       
on    bullets      and    a   longer      six-page       analysis       on   issues      pertaining        to                   
that     [Appendix       III].     I   would     like     to   ask    that    be    entered      into    the                    
record      and    I   have    counsel       here    that     can    go   over     point-by-point          of                   
those      aspects       on    that     should       that     be    something        that      you're      of                   
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Like     I   said,     in    regard      to    the    Governor's        legislation,          AFN    is    in                   
support      of   the    Governor's        constitutional          amendment.        We   think     it   can                    
be   strengthened.         We   have    draft     amendments,        which     we   would     like    to   be                   
considered        in   regard     to   that     amendment.        We   have    language,       what     that                    
constitutional           amendment       would     look     like    with     those     amendments        and                    
the   primary      reason     why    we're    supportive        of  that    is   we   do   believe      that                    
it's    important       for    this    rural-urban        divide     to   be   addressed       and    taken                     
seriously.         We're      concerned         about      inaction        but     even     more      we're                     
concerned       about     the   wrong     actions      being     taken    by   the    legislature        and                    
one    of   our    biggest      fears     is   the    legislature         might     get   carried       away                    
with    some     idea    and    go   and    pass    something       and    my   worst     nightmare        is                   
the    Native     community       would     be   urged    to   vote    against      a   constitutional                          
amendment        or   an   action      because,       in    our    people's       judgment,       it    does                    
more    harm     than    good.     So    it's    better      to   leave     it   at    the   status      quo                    
than     try    to   put    something       forward       and    stampede       it.   And    the    people                      
that     are    most    affected       by    it   are    the    ones     that    feel     that     they're                      
being     damaged      even    more    and    so   I   urge    extreme      caution      and    [indisc.-                       
paper      shuffling]        doesn't       have     a   core     amount      of   support       from     the                    
Native      community       on    that.     I   think     it's     better      to   leave     it    at   the                    
status     quo    and    spend     more    time    working      toward      solutions       rather      than                    
build     that    route    and    so   I  just    want    to   -  I'm    not   putting      that    on   the                    
table as a threat. It's a great fear that I have.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
My   people     are    very    concerned       with    how    politicized        this    has   been     over                    
the    years.     I've    had   people      tell    me   that    they    feel    like    they're      being                     
kicked      around      and    they     just     hate    it.     They    just     hate     all    of    this                    
attention       over     such    a  small     amount      of   resources.        Sometimes       it   seems                     
like    how    people      are   being     treated       it   really     is   making      a   mockery      of                   
our    people's       way    of   life    and    our    people      believe      in    our   values      and                    
somehow      that's     gotta     stop     and   there's      got    to   be   a   resolution       that's                      
fair,     it's    gotta     be   a  resolution        that     the   Native      people     can    support                      
and    live    with    and    this    continuing        polarization         has    got   to   stop.     The                    
legislature's         got    to   step    up   to   the   responsibility          and    not   do   things                      
that    just    drive    people      apart    and    so  I   just   want    to   conclude       with    that                    
and    would     ask    that     that    be    put    into    the    record      and    would     like     an                   
opportunity,         if   you   wish    to   have    some     specific      response       on  the    local                     
bill,     to   ask   Carol     to   address      some    of   those    specifics.        We   have    seven                     
main    points      that    we   wanted     to   address      on   that.     If   not,    you    can    just                    
take    a  look    at   the   written      statements        and,   at   a  later     point     after    you                    
have    a   chance     to   digest     some    of   this     you   want    to   call     us   back    or   if                   
you   want    to   do   whatever,       we'll    be   here    and   our    people     are   prepared       to                   
answer     questions,        are   prepared      to   draft     additional       analyses       if  people                      
have questions, respond to written questions, you name it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:       Carol,      how    long    would     it   take    you    to   go   through                      
your seven points?                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.    CAROL     DANIELS,       AFN    Counsel:       Well,     it's     a   one-page       document.       I                   
could go through it pretty quickly but it's directed...                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        Why    don't     -   just    focus     on   the    local     aspect.      Is                   
that what you're talking about?                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. DANIELS: Right.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Okay.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: Maybe before you do that...                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Taylor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       TAYLOR:      I'd    move    that    each     of   the    documents,        including       the                    
video     that    Ms.    Kitka     has   requested,        be   made     part    of   this    record     and                    
I'd    also    do  the    same    as   concerns      letters.      We've     received      several      from                    
different        organizations         and    other     people     that     they    also    be   included                       
and be made a part of the record.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN        TORGERSON:         Without       objection.        I    was    going      to    say     that                    
earlier      but    I  got    off   track     [indisc.]       and   I   didn't     want    to   interrupt                       
you    so    -   we   do    want     those     documents        and    certainly       to    read     and    I                  
appreciate        your    offer    to   hang    around     until     we   can   digest     this.     It's    a                  
lot of information.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:      Yes.    Like     I   said,     we're     willing      to   spend     as    much    time.                     
We're     very     patient      and    we   will    respond       to   any    written      questions       as                   
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Great. Thank you. Senator Halford.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: We're not going to have time for questions?                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        No,    I  think     we   will.     I   just    wanted      Carol     to   go                   
through      that     if   it   wasn't     going     to   be   real    lengthy      and    then    I  think                     
that     may   couch     a  few    more    questions,        is   what    I'm    thinking.       Go   ahead                     
and introduce yourself for the record.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.    DANIELS:       Thank     you    Mr.   Chairman.        My   name    is   Carol     Daniel      and    I                  
work      with     the    Alaska       Federation         of    Natives.       I    am    an    attorney.                       
Basically         the    seven      points       that     we     put    together        were     directed                       
primarily       at   Senator      Ward's      proposal      but    they    are   some    of   the    points                     
that    we   make    in   that    paper     that    would     be   applicable       to   any    formation                       
of    a  local     priority.        First     I   would     like    to   point     out    that     a  local                     
priority       would    require      both    a  constitutional          amendment       and   amendments                        
to   ANILCA     as   it's    worded     in   the   Ward    proposal.       The    preference       in   that                    
proposal       is   not    mandatory.        We   think     it   needs     to   be    mandatory       and    I                  
think     you've      heard    testimony        from    Ms.    Bullard      to   that    effect.      It   is                   
the position of AFN that it should be a mandatory priority.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Although        a    local      subsistence          priority        -    the     priority       that      is                   
contained        in   Senator      Ward's     proposal,       is    being    described        as   a  local                     
subsistence         priority,       it    -  the    preference        that     it   authorizes        would                     
not    be   in   place     at   all    times,      only    in   times     of   shortages.        In   other                     
words,      until     there's       a   shortage       there      would     be    no   means      for    the                    
boards      of    fish     and    game     to   accommodate         customary        and    traditional                         
harvest      practices       of   people      who   live     in   those     local    areas     and    that,                     
in   terms    of   special      seasons      or  bag    limits     so   we  see    that    as   a  problem                      
in that proposal.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The    proposal      also    is   -  uses    the    term    'in   the    vicinity.'        That    term    is                   
very    vague.     It   will    obviously       entail     drawing      boundaries.        It   is  a   term                    
that     hasn't      been     used     before      in   either      federal       or   state      law    and                    
without      foreseeing        the   implementing         statute,       it   is  difficult        to   tell                    
whether      those     boundaries       would     comply     with     local    areas     customary       and                    
traditional         harvest       practices.        We    think     that     local     area     or    local                     
residency       would     be   very    difficult        to   define     in   any    local     residency.                        
We've     seen    how    difficult       it   has    been     to   define     rural     and    that    is   a                   
more      well     understood          term      than     local       and     there've        been      many                    
permeations        or   suggestions        on   the    local     everything       from    a   local     game                    
management        unit     to    a   regional       ANCSA     lands     to    what     the    Governor's                        
proposal        proposes,        which     is    customary        and     traditional         use     areas                     
within      rural     areas    so    we   think     it   will    be   very     difficult       to   define                      
and one of our suggested amendments attempts to address that issue.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The    reference        -   I've    lost     my    -   I   apologize       for    a   moment.       If   the                    
subsistence         area     provision       of    the    state     law     is   retained,        a   local                     
priority      is   not   likely      to  benefit      residents       of   tribal     communities        who                    
have     been     surrounded        by    an    urban     population         since     most     of    their                     
customary       and    traditional        harvest      practices       occur     in   the   areas     where                     
they    live.     The    -   I've    already      mentioned        the    fact    that    the    priority                       
would     operate      only    in   times     of   shortages.        Proximity       to   the    resource                       
or   place     of   residence       -  that    has   been     put   forward      various      times    as   a                   
proposed       local     priority       and,    in   terms     of    whether      that    would     comply                      
with    the   McDowell       decision      in   requiring       -  in   that    case    the   court     held                    
that    the    urban-rural        classification          was    extremely       crude,     as   has    been                    
pointed      out    by    other     witnesses,        so   we    feel    the    term     'proximity        to                   
resource'        is   also     not    specific       enough     to    give    the    legislature         the                    
direction       that    it   would    need    to   enact     the   enabling      laws    that    would     be                   
consistent with that.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In   terms     of   the    Ward    proposal,       it   uses    -   references       the    term    'rural                      
area'     in   the    last    sentence       and    implies      that     there     would     continue      -                   
which     implies      there    would     continue       to  be   the    non-subsistence           or   non-                    
rural     areas     within      the    states      where     subsistence         uses     would     not    be                   
allowed.      As   I've    pointed      out,    this    would    not    benefit     those     surrounded                        
tribal     villages       who   harvest      in   that    area.     It   also    uses    the   term     'one                    
who    has     customarily         and    traditionally           used     fish'     which      tends      to                   
define      user      instead       of    under      the    federal       law,     which      refers       to                   
subsistence        uses     as   opposed      to   users     and    is   fundamentally          different                       
from a resident of a rural area.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Finally,      the    proposal       as  introduced        by   Senator      Ward    does    not    provide                      
authorization         for    distinguishing          among    rural     residents       when    there    are                    
insufficient         resources       to   provide      the   priority       to   all   residents       of   a                   
subsistence        harvest      area.     I  think     the   problems       with    coming     up   with    a                   
local     priority       are    outlined       in    the    longer     paper     and    it    would     take                    
longer to go through that point by point so...                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        That's      fine    but    that    was    a   good    overview       and    I                  
appreciate        getting      that    and    we'll    read    through      that.     I  just    have    two                    
questions       before     I   open    this    up.   I  understand        that    you   do   not   support                      
the resolution as written now, the Governor's resolution.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:     AFN    does    support      the    resolution        and   we   would     like    to   see                    
some amendments added to it to strengthen and clarify it and I...                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:         But    without      the    amendments,         and    I'm    trying      to                   
separate       the   two,    without      your    amendments       do   you   support      this    the   way                    
it's written currently?                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.     KITKA:      We   think      that     the    -   if    -   we    would     like     to    have    you                    
consider       the   amendments        that    we   have    and    if  you    choose     not    to   do  the                    
amendments,        we   would     like    you   to   move    it   out   of   committee       and   give    us                   
another       opportunity          as    we    go    forward       to    keep     working       on    those                     
amendments.         We    think      the    amendments         are    very     straightforward           and                    
they're      nothing       new   or    surprising       or    that    we   have     asked    for    in   the                    
past at all so they are just core concerns...                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        We're     not   going     to   take     up   amendments        today    but                    
make    sure    you    include     those     at   least    in   my   packet     -  well    to   everybody                       
so we can all - or we'll make the copies and give it to everybody.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:     And   the    key   thing     on  the    local,     just    to   sum   up   for   Carol's                      
thing,      is   we   feel    very    strongly      that    we're     not    talking     about     writing                      
on    a   blank     piece     of    paper,      you    know,     since     ANILCA's       been     passed,                      
there     is   a   lot    of   history      and    a  lot    of   litigation        and    the   conflict                       
over     things,      a  lot    of   things     settled      and    now,    you    know,    opening      up,                    
going     down     new   paths     or   opening       up   a  whole     lot    of   things      that    have                    
already       been     settled       and     litigated        and    you     should      not    make     the                    
mistake      of   thinking       we  just     have    a  blank     piece    of   paper     and   all    of   a                  
sudden     designed       something       else.    There's      a  lot    of  history      and   a   lot   of                   
work,     a  lot    of   the   terms     that    have    been    defined      in   different       courts.                      
A   lot    of   our    people      have    used     the    judicial       system,      which     is   their                     
right,      and   have     spent     resources,       time,     years     of   time     pursuing      their                     
rights     and    just    to,   you    know,    just    flip    over    their     court    decisions       or                   
say    it's    not   important       anymore      and    that    does    not    do  a   justice      to  the                    
people      that    have     been,     like    I  said,     trying      to   be   good     citizens      and                    
exercising         their      rights      when     they      feel     that     the     government        has                    
overstepped         the   [indisc.].        I   just    wanted      to   just    remind     you    because                      
often     we   get   tempted      like    -   here    we   have    another      special      session,      we                   
have     a   new    opportunity         that     -   it's     not    a   blank     sheet,      it    really                     
isn't.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:        And   my   last     question      for    either     you    or   Carol,      I                  
think      I  picked      up    that    you    believe       if   we    pass    the    amendment,        the                    
Governor's        amendment,        that     we   need    a   change     to    ANILCA     because      of    -                  
okay, go ahead, or either one of you.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KITKA: No, we were talking about Senator Ward's bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Oh, all right. I was on the wrong track.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:      In    fact     that     is   one    of    the    reasons       that     we   are     more                    
attracted       to   the   Governor's        proposal      because      we  believe      that    that    can                    
help     the     state     regain       management         without      ANILCA       amendments.         Our                    
people      are   very     much    in   opposition        to    ANILCA     amendments        and    I   also                    
wanted     to    bring    to    the   committee's         attention       something       that    we    have                    
said    for    years     is   our    fear    if   ANILCA      gets    opened      up,   we're     not    the                    
only    people     that     would    be   affected.       Other     Alaskans      would     be   affected                       
as   well.    We   have    said    for   years     that    the   environmental          community,       the                    
environmental         lobby     in   this    country,      has   always     had    a  strong     interest                       
in    what    happens       in   regard      to    ANILCA.       You    don't     have     to   look     any                    
further      than    the    Bush    Administration's            recent     policy      on   the    Tongass                      
to   know    that     the   environmental          community       will    see    opening      up   ANILCA                      
as    another      opportunity         to    overturn       the    Administration's            policy      on                   
that.      You     have      seen      recent       examples        of     them     galvanizing          and                    
exercising        their     strength       in   the    ANWR    debate      and    you    cannot     expect                      
that    if   you    open     up   ANWR    that    you    are    only    dealing      with     the   Native                      
community        and     that's       it.     You    are     going      to     have     all     kinds      of                   
interests.        Every    time     that    we   deal    with    issues     like    this    back    there,                      
we   get   hit    with    other     competing       ones    that    want    to   extract      a  pound     of                   
flesh     out   of   us  in   order     for   us   to   try   to   protect      our   interests       and   I                   
think     that    the    state     should     be    very    weary     of   just    opening      up    -  and                    
just    saw    that    in   the    paper     the    other     day   on    the   Tongass      one    and    it                   
reminded me so...                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN        TORGERSON:        Yea,     thank      you.     Senator       Halford       and     Senator                      
Taylor and Senator Wilken.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Thank     you.    A  couple      of   things,      one   is    the   question                       
of   only     in   time     of   shortage.        If   there     is    essentially        no    shortage,                       
there's      a   long     moose     season      in   the    fall     and    there's      a   long     moose                     
season     in   the    winter     when    everything        is   frozen     so   you   can    keep    meat,                     
why    is   there     a   need    for    a  preference?         If   there's      adequate       resource                       
for    long     seasons      and    reasonable         opportunity        for    harvest,       why     does                    
there     need     to   be   a   preference        in   that     time    versus      only    in   time     of                   
shortage.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.    DANIELS:      Mr.    Chairman,       Senator      Halford,      I  guess     I  would     point     to                   
the    Bobby    case,     the   litigation        over    the    Bobby    case,     Lime    Village,       as                   
an   example       of   why    the    priority      is    important       to   be    in   place     at   all                    
times,     even    if   there     are   an   abundance       of   the    resource      and    the   reason                      
for    that     is    that     Congress,       in    passing       Title     VIII     of    ANILCA,      was                    
intent      on   protecting        a  way    of   life    -   a  subsistence         way    of   life    for                    
rural     and   Native     people     and    part    of  that    way    of  life    is   the    customary                       
and    traditional         harvest      practices        of   the    people      who    live     in   rural                     
Alaska     and,    in   the   Bobby     case    for   example,      there     is   no   local    store     or                   
at   the   time    there     was   no   local    store,      the   state    regulatory        system     had                    
imposed      individual        bag   limits     and    restricted        seasons      where    you    had   a                   
group      of    people,       a   small      group      of    people      in    the    community        who                    
actually       did   the    hunting      for   the    community       and   they    hunted      when    they                    
were     hungry     or    when    they     needed     the    meat.     So,    and    the    court     found                     
that     in   setting       those     regulations,         that     the   Board      of   Game     did   not                    
take     into    consideration         the    actual      practices       of   the    people     who    live                    
there so I think - I mean there are other examples.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      Let    me   just    -  so  it   is   your    opinion      that    the   framers                      
of    Title     VIII    intended       exactly      what    the    Bobby     case    said,     which     was                    
that    the    priority      occurs     whenever      there     is   any   season     at   all,    any   bag                    
limit,      any     limitation        on    normal      methods      and     means     that     basically                       
there     always     had   to   be   a  priority      if   there     were    any   limitation        at  all                    
on   any   taking      at  any    time    of   the   year    in   any   way?    And   that's     what    the                    
case says as I read it.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.    DANIELS:      The    case    criticizes        the   [indisc.-coughing]             -  the    record                     
did     not    support       the    regulations         that     were     put     in   place      for    the                    
village      of   -  for    Lime    Village      and   I   think    that    the    court     was   correct                      
in    that     the    board     should      have     been     taking      into    consideration          the                    
residents         of    that     community's          customary        and     traditional         harvest                      
practices        when    they     set   the    regulations.         I'm    not    suggesting,         and    I                  
don't     think     anyone     would     suggest,       that    the    law    requires      there     to   be                   
no    regulation        of    subsistence.         It    depends      on    what     the    customs      and                    
traditions        of   the    people     of   the    community       are.     Not   every     village      in                   
Alaska warrants a year-long season and no bag limits but...                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       In   the    case    of    Lime    Village      the    result     is    a  year-                     
long season and no bag limits, is it not?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.     KITKA:      Mr.     Chairman?        If   you'd      like,      we    have     Lime     Village's                       
counsel       here    in   the    audience       and    I   would     like    to   invite      him    up   to                   
give     just    a  very    short     background        on   that.     This    is   a   very    important                       
issue. Mr. Calswell (ph)?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN        TORGERSON:         Good      afternoon.         Introduce         yourself       for     the                    
record.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BILL     CALSWELL,        Lime    Village       counsel:       Good     afternoon.        I'm    Bill                    
Calswell.       I'm    a  lawyer     from    Fairbanks       and   it's    been    a  long    time    since                     
I   litigated        the    Lime     Village       case     but    I   think     you're      right,      Mr.                    
Chairman,       if   I  may,    I  think     Senator      Halford's       right    about     the   reading                      
the    case    and   I  think     we   think    that's     what    Congress       intended      in   ANILCA                     
by     mandating        that      the     subsistence         -    customary         and     traditional                        
subsistence uses - shall have priority over all other uses.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       It    is    an   all    time,      continuous        priority       whenever                       
there is any restriction at all in any use.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.     CALSWELL:       Whenever        there     is    any    restriction         of    customary       and                    
traditional uses, then you can't continue to allow other...                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: ...any other use.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.   CALSWELL:       ...other       competitive        uses    to  the    same    level    if   you    have                    
to   impose     those    restrictions         and,    in   the   Lime    Village      case,     you   know,                     
the   result      wasn't     year-round       seasons      with    no   bag   limits.      The   ultimate                       
result     was,     excuse     me,    and   this     is   in   the    federal      regulatory       scheme                      
now   for    the   part    of   the   hunting      grounds      that    are   out   there     on   federal                      
land,     there's      a   community       bag    limit     for    the    village      for    both    moose                     
and    caribou      so   even     though      the    seasons      are    year    round,      there     is   a                   
limit     on    the    harvest       which     is    based     on   the     best    estimate        of   the                    
customary       and    traditional         harvest      levels     for    that    community       so    each                    
individual        hunter       is   not     limited      by    an    individual        bag     limit     but                    
there's      a   community       harvest       reporting       system      that,     in   effect,       caps                    
the harvest [at] that customary and traditional level.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       I'm    glad    you    added     'in    effect.'       I  haven't      got    any                    
other questions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Taylor?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      TAYLOR:      I   have    made     this    suggestion        before      and    it   was    well                    
received      at   the   time    but    it   didn't     fit   politically        with    some    agendas.                       
I   want     to    make    the     same    suggestion.         By    the    way    Julie,      I   was     in                   
Washington,         D.C.    and    I  already       had   the    opportunity         to   watch     a   good                    
part    of   the    Inouye     hearing      and   I'm    glad    you   brought      that    tape.     Thank                     
you    because      I   think     it   does    get    some    interesting         points      we   haven't                      
really      talked     about      much    before      and    we   need     to.    My   suggestion        has                    
been     a   system      where     we   get    rid     of   the    term     advisory       on   our     game                    
boards      and   our    fish    boards      and    we   turn    them     into    regional       fish    and                    
game     boards      and    give     complete       autonomy       and    control       to   the    people                      
within      those     regions      to    set    bag    limits,      seasons,       etcetera,        and    to                   
make    certain      that    they    protect     the    subsistence        users    who    actually      use                    
it   for   sustenance        and   not   to   just    sell    some    eggs    to   the   Japanese       fish                    
buyers.       [Indisc.        -   paper      shuffling.]            If    we    want      autonomy       and                    
control,      and    when    I  say    'we'    I'm   talking      about     the    rural    people      that                    
I  represent,        we   get   very    frustrated        with    state     fish    boards     and    I  was                    
scared     to    death    at   the    current      state     game    board     [indisc.].        I  didn't                      
think      another      wolf     would      ever     be   killed      around      McGrath       if    those                     
people      sat    there.     I   would     only     retain     the    game     board     and    the    fish                    
board     as   appellate       boards      for   biological        purposes       only    to   make     sure                    
that    the    herds     and    the    runs     of   fish     were    protected        and   that     over-                     
consumption,         over-use,        did    not    occur.      That     system      of   course      would                     
require       all    of   us    to   trust      one    another.       The    commercial         fishermen                       
would     have    to    trust     the    sport     fishermen.        The   sport      fishermen       would                     
have     to    trust      the     subsistence         fishermen.         All    Alaskans        would      be                   
afforded       a  level     of    respect.      I   think     that    that     system,      which     would                     
throw     out   the   federal      bureaucrat        that    we  all    have    to  pay    some    sort    of                   
deference       to   the   federal      bureaucrat       that    destroyed       the    salmon     runs    of                   
Southeast       Alaska.      I   don't     know    anybody      in   my   district       who   wants     the                    
federal      government        to   come    back    in   and   start     managing      our    fish.     They                    
destroyed       them.     Maybe     people     in   your    area    want    federal      management.        I                   
hope    it's     much    more     successful        than    the    federal      management        that     my                   
people     saw    pre-Statehood.         I   don't    know    why   there     is   such    an   inability                       
to   trust     one   another      that    we   can't     allow    the    people     of   the    Kuskokwim                       
to   decide     how    many    caribou      are   taken     in   that    area,    how    many    fish    are                    
taken     in   that     river,     what    communities         should     take    because,       you    see,                    
we    do    have    the     power     under      the    Constitution         to    regulate       uses     of                   
resources        and   that's      very    possible       for    all    of   us   to   do   right     here.                     
You    know    the    only    reason      we   won't     be   able    to   do    that    is   because      we                   
can't     do   it  on   federal      land.     They   passed      a  law   that    says    we   don't    get                    
the right to trust each other there.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
I   would    hope    someday      Alaskans      can   sit    down    around     the   very    same    table                     
and    trust     each    other     enough      to   let    the   people      in   Nome    take     care    of                   
Nome,     let    the   people     of   Wrangell       take    care    of   Wrangell      [indisc.]       and                    
I   propose      that     to   you    and    I   have    before,      everybody        says,     gee    that                    
would     be   a  wonderful       idea    but   we   really     can't     do  that.     We're    all    hung                    
up    on   ANILCA,       we're     all     hung    up    on   a   state      subsistence         law    that                    
doesn't       work    very    well     and    [indisc.].       I   throw     that    out    because      I'd                    
like    you    to  reconsider        that.     I  believe     that's      what    every    elder     that    I                  
listened       to   in   1960,     as   I  attended       every     single     land     claims     hearing                      
in   this    state     -  I  think     that's     what    they    said.    I  heard     them    saying     we                   
want     autonomy.       We   want    some    control      locally.       We   don't     want    you    guys                    
from    Washington,        D.C.    or   some    guy   from    Wrangell       to   tell    us  how    to  run                    
our fish up here. [Indisc.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:       You'll     reconsider        that,    right?      Whatever      it   is  -   I                  
don't     want     to   debate      something       we   don't     even    have     before     us    today.                     
Senator Halford, then Senator Wilken.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR       HALFORD:       Just    coming      back     to   the    question       of   the    priority                       
among      rural      residents,         and     I   assume      that      was    Tier      II    by    your                    
attorney,       do   we   think     we   have    any    problem     with     that    constitutionally                           
because       that     really      was    a    much    more     accurate        priority       under     the                    
existing       constitutional           authority,        was    it    not?    You     mentioned       as    a                  
shortcoming          of   the     other      proposal       that     it    didn't      provide       for     a                  
priority       among     rural     residents       as    Tier    II   of   the    federal      law    does.                     
Has    there    ever    been    any    really     serious     consideration          that    Tier    II  was                    
somehow unconstitutional under the state constitution?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.    CALSWELL:        Well,     in   the    Kenaitze       case,     the   Alaska      Supreme      Court                     
[indisc.].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: That was on local.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.    CALSWELL:       But    that    was    one   of   the    Tier    II   criteria       so   they    held                    
that...                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: Okay, I got you.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. CALSWELL: They held that component of the Tier II criteria.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       With     the   exception        of   the    -  I   was    thinking      of   the                    
dependence,         alternative         resources,        the    Tier    II    criteria       that    would                     
remain      if    you    use    local      as    the    entry     screen      criteria.        I'd    never                     
thought there was any problem with those criteria.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.    CALSWELL:        I   don't     -   as   far    as    dependence        on   the    resource       and                    
availability         of   alternative        resources,        there     hasn't     been.     But   it   was                    
the    proximity       of   the   resource       -  the    third    criterion       that     the   Supreme                      
Court...                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       You   would     have     to   overturn      Kenaitze       with    regard      to                   
the    term    'local'      with     a  constitutional           amendment       to   be    able    to   use                    
it.   I   agree    with    that.     Just    a  couple     of   other    questions       kind    of   based                     
on   the   first     sentence      of   the   constitutional          amendment       proposed      by   the                    
Governor       refers     to   the    subsistence         traditions        of   indigenous        people.                      
Would     that     matter      if    it    was    the    -    as   Mr.     Bishop      mentioned,        the                    
question       was   what    about     the    subsistence        traditions        of   non-indigenous                          
people?      Would     that     matter     if    it   said    the    subsistence         traditions        of                   
all   Alaskans       and   is   that    a  place     -  that    seems    like    the    statement       that                    
puts     subsistence        as    the    highest      and    best    use.     And    then    the    second                      
portion      of   the   Governor's        proposal      is   how    that    is   really     going     to   be                   
implemented        in   terms     of   who   gets    it   but    the   positive       statement       about                     
subsistence I would think would apply to all Alaskans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:     I  guess     our   interest       in   that    provision       is   the   recognition                         
of    Native      people      as    indigenous        people.       We    don't     see    why     there's                      
anything       to    be    fearful      of    that.     I   mean     we    look    at    the    State      of                   
Hawaii's      Constitution         and   they    have    Hawaiian       Native     preference       rights                      
right     in   their     constitution.          It's     something       they're      proud     of   and    I                   
just    think      that    that's      a  value     to    have    in   there.      I   don't     think     it                   
denigrates        anybody      else     by   doing     it.    It   just     recognizes        indigenous                        
people       were      the     first       people       here     and      that      -    you     look      at                   
congressional         findings       on  Title     VIII    and   they    differ     between      how    they                    
describe       the    congressional          policy      toward      Alaska      Natives       and    other                     
rural     residents.       I  don't     have    the   words     right    there     but   if   you   looked                      
at   that    they     don't    describe       them    the    same    even    in    the   congressional                          
findings.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       Yea.    I  haven't      got    any    problem      with    the    mention      of                   
indigenous        people.      The   thing     I  was    concerned       with    is   it   looked     like,                     
by    the    way    Mr.    Bishop      read     it,    that     it    is   saying      that     the     only                    
subsistence        traditions        that    are    intended      to   have    a  priority       were    the                    
subsistence        traditions        of  indigenous        people     and   I   would    think     that    we                   
would     be   looking      at    -  I   mean    you    don't     get    to   rural     people      if   you                    
don't     recognize       all   rural     people     in   terms     of   the   threshold        statement                       
as   well.     That's      what    my   concern       was.    I'm    not    saying     take     something                       
out. I was saying add something.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:      I'm    sure    that     there's      a   way    that    you    could     redraft-add                         
other     language       into     that.     In    fact,     I   think     one    of    our    amendments                        
might have some changes to that provision.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:      With    regard     to   the   third,     I   guess    the    third    section,                       
it   looks     like    a,   b,   and   c,   the   Attorney       General      testified       that    there                     
is   nothing      in    that    section      that     couldn't      be    done    already      under     the                    
existing       Constitution         and   my   thought      would     be   that     if   we   don't     need                    
it   to    fix    something,        maybe     we   don't      need    to    put    it   in   there      just                    
because it's not broken. Is that a piece that is of interest to AFN?                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KITKA:      I  think    that    that    is   in   there    for    a  specific      reason     to   try                    
to   respond       to   other      Alaskans       that    would     like     to   have     it   in    there                     
meaning      I  don't    believe      that    originated        from    the   Alaska     Federation        of                   
Natives.       Look    at   our    written      position      on    the   Governor's        package      and                    
our     proposed        amendments        and     the     rationale        on    that.     Our     primary                      
concern       is   to   address      the    needs     of   our    people      in   a   fair    way,    in    a                  
permanent       way.    I  mean    the    whole    issue     of   shall    versus     may,    we're     very                    
fearful      that     if   it   says    may,    we're     just    going     to   revisit      warfare      in                   
the    state     for    the   next     20,    30   years     and   we'd     like    some    finality       to                   
this.     People     are    going    to   go   through      all    this    process      of  voting      on   a                  
constitutional          amendment       so   that    is   why   we're     asking     for   shall     versus                     
may.    Like     I  said,     it  will     just    continue      on   indefinitely         if   it's    just                    
at   the   whim    -   just    the   dynamics      of   the   politics       of   the   state    and    that                    
troubles us.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      HALFORD:       The    third     section,      I   guess     basically       you    said    it's                    
not your concern particularly. It was there to answer some of the...                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:     Our    concerns,       other     than     the   straight       rural     priority,       is                   
our    Native      people      that     live     in   urban     areas      and    in   particular        our                    
Native     people      that    are   living     in   areas    surrounded        by   urban    growth     and                    
we,    you   know,     our   solutions       are   amendments        to   the   Governor's       proposal                       
all deal around strengthening things like that.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: Okay.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Wilken.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      WILKEN:       Thank    you    Mr.    Chairman.       My   question       revolved       around                     
line    8,   the    issue     of   indigenous       peoples,       and   I   think    Senator      Halford                      
asked     the   question       I  was   going     to  ask    so   thank    you,    I  have    an   answer.                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Senator Lincoln.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:       I  have    just    two    quick    questions       bur    first     I  have    to                   
-   my    good    friend      on   my    right     leaned      over     when    Senator       Taylor     was                    
asking      about      expanding       the    boards      of    game    and    fish     to    instead      of                   
advisory       to   mandatory       boards     of   fish    and    how   long    that    would     take    to                   
get    through      the    process      of   confirmation         since     we   couldn't       quite    get                    
through just a couple of names here. I thought that was good.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Indiscernible comments by several members.]                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:       Well    because      they're      not   advisory       see,    when    they    go                   
from      advisory        to    policy      making       and     we    would      have     to     do    that                    
perhaps...                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR: You'd let the local people elect them.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR      LINCOLN:       But    anyway     Mr.    Chairman      -   Julie,     I   asked     the   other                     
testifiers         what     would     happen       if   we    do    nothing       this     year     on   the                    
subsistence         dilemma      and   I'd    like    to   hear     your    response       to   that,    and                    
the    second     question       that    I've    got    is   how    important       is   it   to   AFN   for                    
the    language      of   co-management         in   the   whatever       resolution       that    we   come                    
up with for the fish and game and other resources.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.    KITKA:      Well     let    me   address       the    co-management         issue      first     and,                    
again,      there     is   someone       in   the    audience       on   that     that    would     be,    at                   
some    later     time    if   you   want    to   get   into    that    on   the   whole     area    of  co-                    
management        with   concrete       examples      across     the    Arctic     where    that's      used                    
as    well     as    examples       here     in    the    state.      Co-management           is   a    very                    
progressive        management        tool.     It   is   something       where    I   think    the    State                     
of   Alaska     needs     to   go   towards.      It's    very    highly      used    in   Canada,      very                    
successfully,         where     they    have    over    a  thousand      Native     villages.       It's    a                   
way     to   involve       the     local      people      in    decision       making.       It    is    not                    
something       that    state     or   federal      government        usually      voluntarily        steps                     
into     it   because       they're      evolving       some     authority       and    they     normally                       
don't     like    to  do   that,     at  least     the   state     or   federal     agencies,       and    so                   
it's    something        that    takes     leadership        in   order     to    make    happen      but   I                   
think     that    that    is   one    of   the    essential       pieces     of   the    resolution        to                   
this    in   the   long    term.     It  not    only    brings     your    state    of   management        in                   
the     state      up    into      the    next      century       instead       of    being      old     and                    
antiquated        on    a   military-type          model     of   bureaucracy,          it   brings      you                    
into    the    new    age    of   involving       people      at   the    greatest      extent      at   the                    
local     level    whose     lives     are   affected.       That's      my   short    version      of   why                    
I   think     it's    important.        I   ultimately        think     it   will    be   an    essential                       
component        when    you    come     to   a   resolution        of   this     because      I   believe                      
that    either     yourselves,         if   this    gets    resolved      here,     or   the    Congress,                       
if    it   goes     back    to    there,      will     see    in   their     wisdom      that     the    co-                    
management        is   something       that's     a  very    powerful       tool.     It   doesn't      have                    
to   be   a  threat      to   people.      It   can,    like    I   said,    develop      in   the    state                     
instead      of   just    kind     of   looking      at   the   way    people     always      did   things                      
in    the    past    so    I   would     say    it's     very     important       to    us.    It's     very                    
important        to   different        regions      in    the    state.      There     are    successful                        
models     that    are    working      now.    [Indisc.      -   paper     shuffling]       Delta     area,                     
you    can    look    at    a   number     of    examples       where     it   is   not    a   threat      to                   
people      and    yet    it   empowers       the    people      to   be    more    involved       in    -  I                   
believe       that    if    people      are    more     involved       in    that     kind     of   thing,                      
they're       going      to    take      better      care      in    paying       attention        to    the                    
resources       and    the   long    term    survival       of   the   resources       so   it's    really                      
good for the resource in our view.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
On    the    issue     of    what    happens       -   you    mean     if   the     Legislature         does                    
nothing,      I   think    that     you   just    see    the   gridlock       stay    in   place.     We're                     
very    happy     with     the    federal      advisory       boards     that     are   in    place     that                    
make    up   part     of   the   system      of   the   federal      subsistence         board    and    our                    
primary       reason     -   not     only    have     they     got    10    plus    years      of   making                      
decisions       on   the    game    level    and    starting      to   build     more    experience        on                   
the    fisheries,        but   our    primary      reason      is   that    they've       got   a   lot    of                   
really      good    people      appointed       that     are   very     well    respected        in   their                     
communities          and     we     respect        their       judgment,        we     respect        their                     
dedication,         and    so   we   would      expect     they     would     continue       and    do   the                    
best    job    they    could    in   a   system     which     ultimately       really      is  broken      in                   
the    state    between      the    feds    and   the    state    so   I   know    that    people     would                     
still     take     a  look     at   the    resource       and    the    welfare      of   the    resource                       
first,      but    people      would      make     that    work.      I   do    believe      that     you'd                     
probably       see    continuing        litigation.         You'd     see    continuing         conflict.                       
You     would      see     probably       more      people,       at    least      from      the    Native                      
community,         pull      away      from      wanting        to     help      the     state      regain                      
management.         Already      you   can    see    by   how    few    people     come     down    to   the                    
halls     in   the    special      session       how   much     people     are    disillusioned          and                    
are    not    trustful       and    don't     believe       anything's        going     to   happen      and                    
what    it   is   is   it's    years     and   years     of   experience       and    people's      stress                      
level     is    just     not    there     and    so    I   just     think     that     heightened        and                    
continued that. That's my assessment. It's not a very good assessment                                                           
but people will make the best that they can of that. That's all I can                                                           
think of.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON: Other questions?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD: Thank you.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN       TORGERSON:       I'd    like    to  thank     all   of   the   panel     for   coming     out                    
today      and    I   know     -   I   gave     you    the     letter      on   short      notice      so    I                  
appreciate        you   hanging      out.    Make    sure    we   get   copies     of   the   things     you                    
wanted      us   to    -  oh,    we   already       go   them,     okay.     With    nothing       else    to                   
come before us we will adjourn for today. [APPENDICES ATTACHED.]                                                                
           REQUIREMENTS FOR STATE RE-ASSUMPTION OF SUBSISTENCE                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                            MANAGEMENT ON THE PUBLIC LANDS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                1                               
                 Section 805(d) of ANILCA, as amended in 1998, offers                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska     the    option     of   managing      subsistence        uses     of  fish    and    wildlife                        
                                                                                                                                
 on   federal      "public      lands"      if   "the    State    enacts      and   implements        laws                      
                                                                                                                                
 of    general       applicability           which      are    consistent         with,      and    which                       
                                                                                                                                
 provide      for    the   definition,        preference,        and    participation         specified                         
                                                                                                                                
 in,    sections       803,    804,     and   805."     Section      803    defines      "subsistence                           
                                                                                                                                
 uses"     as,    among     other     things,      "the    customary        and    traditional        uses                      
                                                                                                                                
 by   rural     Alaska      residents."         Section      804   requires       that     "the    taking                       
                                                                                                                                
 on   the    public     lands    of   fish    and    wildlife      for   subsistence         uses   shall                       
                                                                                                                                
 be    accorded        priority       over     the     taking      ...    for     other      purposes."                         
                                                                                                                                
 Section       804    also    requires       that,     when     subsistence        takings       must    be                     
                                                                                                                                
 restricted         for      conservation          purposes        or    to     protect       continued                         
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence          uses,     the     subsistence         priority        must     be    implemented                          
                                                                                                                                
 through       the    application         of    three     criteria       (customary         and    direct                       
                                                                                                                                
 dependence,          local       residency,         and      availability          of     alternative                          
                                                                                                                                
 resources),          known      in     state      legal      parlance        as    the     "Tier       II"                     
                                                                                                                                
 criteria.        Sections      805(a)-(c)        establish       a   local/regional          system     of                     
                                                                                                                                
 local     advisory       committees         and    regional       advisory       councils       for    the                     
                                                                                                                                
 purpose,        in    the     words      of    section        801(5),       "of     enabling       rural                       
                                                                                                                                
 residents        who     have     personal        knowledge        of    local      conditions         and                     
                                                                                                                                
 requirements          to   have    a   meaningful        role     in   the    management        of   fish                      
                                                                                                                                
 and wildlife and of subsistence uses on the public lands."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         Since the July 1, 1990 effective date of the Alaska Supreme                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Court's      decision       in   McDowell      v.   State,      785   P.2d    1   (Dec.    22,    1989),                       
                                                                                                                                
 the     State      has     been     disabled        by    the     Alaska       Constitution          from                      
                                                                                                                                
 complying         with     the    conditions         set     forth      in    section       805(d)      of                     
                                                                                                                                
 ANILCA.       Consequently,          the    federal      Departments         of    Agriculture         and                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 1                                                                                                                              
         The 1998 amendments, in conjunction with the final "Katie John moratorium," deleted "one                               
 year   after   the  date  of   enactment   of  this   Act  [i.e.,   December    2,  1980]"   from  section                     
 805(a)   and  "within  one  year  from   the date   of enactment   of  this  Act"  from  section   805(d).                     
 Pub.   L.   No.  105-277,    §  339(c),    112  Stat.   2681,    2681-296   (Oct.-21,    1998).   By   thus                    
 eliminating    ANILCA's   original   one-year   deadline.   Congress    enabled  the   State  to  displace                     
 federal   management   at  any  future  time   that  it might   choose  to  comply  with   the  conditions                     
 of section 805(d).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  the   Interior       ("the     Secretary")         have    been     responsible        for    managing                        
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence        uses    of    fish    and    wildlife      on   federal       lands     and   waters                       
                                                                                                                                
  for    the    past    11   years.      In    McDowell,       the    Court     held     that    the    so-                     
                                                                                                                                
  called      "equal       access"       clauses       of     Article       VIII     of    the     Alaska                       
                                                                                                                                
  Constitution         ("a    special      type    of   equal     protection        guarantee,"         785                     
                                                                                                                                
  P.2d    at   11)   prohibit       the   Legislature         from    affording       a  priority       for                     
                                                                                          2                                     
  subsistence         uses     on    the    basis      of   "rural"       residency.         The     Court                      
                                                                                                                                
  accordingly        invalidated         the    1986    state     subsistence         law   insofar       as                    
                                                                                                                                
  it  limited      the    subsistence        priority      to   rural     residents,       as   required                        
                                                                                                                                
  by   ANILCA.       Subsequently,          in   State      v.   Kenaitze       Indian      Tribe,      894                     
                                                                                                                                
  P.2d      632      (1995),        the     Court       unanimously           invoked        McDowell's                         
                                                                                                                                
  construction          of     the     "equal       access"        clauses       to     prohibit        the                     
                                                                                                                                
  Legislature         from     utilizing        local     residency        for    any     subsistence-                          
                                                                                                                                
  priority      purpose,       even     as   one    of   the    three     "Tier     II"    criteria       of                    
                                                                                                                                
  dependence       and    need    to   determine       which     subsistence        users     should      be                    
                                                                                                                                
  preferred        when     a    particular        fish      or    wildlife       resource        is    not                     
                                                                                                                                
  sufficiently         abundant       to   satisfy      all    subsistence        uses.3      The    Court                      
                                                                                                                                
  viewed     the   statutory       "proximity"        criterion       as   a  residency-based           bar                     
                                                                                                                                
  to    participation           in    Tier      II    subsistence          uses,      and     hence       an                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2                                                                                                                               
  The three provisions of Article VIII which the Court terms the "equal access clauses"                                         
are the Common Use Clause (§ 3), the No Exclusive Fishery Clause (§ 15), and the Uniform                                        
Application Clause (§ 17).                                                                                                      
The Common Use Clause provides:                                                                                                 
          Wherever occurring in their natural state, fish, wildlife, and waters are                                             
          reserved to the people for common use.                                                                                
  The No Exclusive Fishery Clause provides:                                                                                     
          No exclusive right or special privilege of fishery shall be created or authorized                                     
          in the natural waters of the State. This section does not restrict the power of                                       
          the State to limit entry into any fishery for the purposes of resource                                                
          conservation, to prevent economic distress among fishermen and those dependent                                        
          upon them for a livelihood and to promote the efficient development of                                                
          aquaculture in the State.                                                                                             
  The Uniform Application Clause provides:                                                                                      
              Laws and regulations governing the use or disposal of natural resources shall                                     
              apply equally to all persons similarly situated with reference to the subject                                     
          matter and purpose to be served by the law or regulation.                                                             
  The Sustained Yield Clause (§ 4) also is relevant; it provides:                                                               
          Fish, forests, wildlife, grasslands, and all other replenishable resources                                            
          belonging to the State shall be utilized, developed, and maintained on the                                            
          sustained yield principle, subject to preferences among beneficial uses.                                              
                                                                                                                                
  3                                                                                                                             
         The three Tier II criteria of the 1992 state subsistence law, AS 16.05.258(b)(4)(B), are                               
  (i)  "customary    and   direct   dependence"    on   the  resource    "for   human   consumption    as   a                   
  mainstay,   of livelihood,"    (ii)  "proximity   of  the  domicile  of  the  subsistence   user"   to the                    
  resource,   and (iii)   "the  ability  of  the  subsistence   user  to  obtain  food  if  subsistence   is                    
  restricted   or  eliminated."   As  mentioned,   section   804  of  ANILCA  imposes   a  similar  scheme,                     
 impermissible           limitation         on    admission        to    the    "subsistence          user                      
                                                                                                                                
 group." See 894 P.2d at 638-642.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         This paper briefly addresses the law-making steps Alaska must                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 undertake        in    order     to    comply      with     section      805(d)      of    ANILCA      and                     
                                                                                                                                
 displace       federal      "public      lands"     subsistence         management.        To   achieve                        
                                                                                                                                
 that     goal,     the    Alaska      Constitution         must    be    amended      (or    revised),                         
                                                                                                                                
 and      any      implementing          legislation           would       have      to     differ       in                     
                                                                                                                                
 significant           respects        from      the      provisions         of     previous        state                       
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         laws,    i.e.,     those     adopted      in   1978,     1986,    and    1992    (the                      
                                                                                                                                
 current law).                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
         Must the Alaska Constitution be changed before the State will be able to meet                                        
                                                                                                                                
 the conditions of section 805(d)?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         Consistent with section 805(d) of ANILCA (as amended in 1998                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 by    repeal      of   the    one-year       deadline),        the    Secretary's         regulations                          
                                                                                                                                
 provide      a   rulemaking       mechanism        for   Alaska      to   supersede       the   Federal                        
                                                                                                                                
 Subsistence         Management        Program      governing       public     lands     whenever       the                     
                                                                                                                                
 State     has     enacted      and    implemented         subsistence         management        and    use                     
                                                                                                                                
 laws     that     conform       to    the     requirements         of    sections        803-805.       50                     
                                                                                                                                
 C.F.R.     §   100.14(d).       Since     the   relevant       provisions       of   ANILCA     plainly                        
                                                                                                                                
 require       that     "rural      Alaska       residents"        be    accorded       priority        for                     
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence        hunting      and    fishing     on   the    public     lands,     any    such   state                       
                                                                                                                                
 laws     must,     at   a   minimum,       provide      a   subsistence        priority       to   rural                       
                                                                                                                                
 Alaskans.        While     ANILCA      does    not    prohibit       the    State     from     allowing                        
                                                                                                                                
 state-law        "subsistence         uses"    by   non-rural        residents,       any    privilege                         
                                                                                                                                
 given     to   non-rural       users     must    be   subordinate        to   the    priority      right                       
                                                                                                                                
 of    rural      users.       And    that      can    be     accomplished          only     through       a                    
                                                                                                                                
 priority        scheme      that      ultimately        employs       rural      residency        as    an                     
                                                                                                                                
 eligibility           criterion.           But      the      Alaska        Supreme        Court        has                     
                                                                                                                                
 unequivocally          held     that    the     Alaska     Constitution          forbids      any    such                      
                                                                                                                                
 residency-based           limitation        on   participation          in   subsistence        hunting                        
                                                                                                                                
 and     fishing.        It    thus     appears       that     the     popular       (and     official)                         
                                                                                                                                
 understanding          that    a  change     in   the   Alaska      Constitution        is   necessary                         
                                                                                                                                
                   for the State to "regain" management authority is entirely correct.                                          
                                                                                                                                
         Neither the Legislature nor the people legislating by                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 though the state criteria are not identical.                                                                                   
  initiative,        of   course,     may    enact    laws    that    alter     the   meaning      of   the                     
                                  4                                                                                             
  Alaska     Constitution.           Any   attempt      to    legislate       a  rural     subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
  priority       without      an    authorizing         constitutional          change      would     thus                      
                                                                                                                                
  appear     to   be    doomed     from     the    outset-at       least     so   long     as   McDowell                        
                                                                                                                                
  and   Kenaitze      remain      good    law.    And   there     is  no   reason     to   believe      (or                     
                                                                                                                                
  hope)    that    the    McDowell/Kenaitze           construction         of   the   constitutional                            
                                                                                                                                
  "equal     access"      clauses     will    not    continue      to   be   good    law.    The   Alaska                       
                                                                                                                                
  Supreme     Court     will    "'not     lightly     overrule       our   past    decisions,'"         and                     
                                                                                                                                
  in   fact    will     do   so   only     where     it   is   "'clearly       convinced        the   rule                      
                                                                                                                                
  was   originally        erroneous        or   is   no   longer     sound     because       of   changed                       
                                                                                                                                
  conditions,         and    that      more     good     than     harm     would      result      from     a                    
                                                                                                                                
  departure        from     precedent.'"         State      v.    Summerville,          948    P.2d     469                     
                                                                                                                                
  (1998)       (invalidating           legislative          attempt       to     overrule        a    1974                      
                                                                                                                                
  constitutional            ruling        prohibiting           "reciprocal          discovery"           in                    
                                                                                                                                
  criminal cases).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          It is difficult to conceive of an argument for overruling                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  McDowell       and     Kenaitze       that      would     satisfy       those      standards.         The                     
                                                                                                                                
  result     in   McDowell      was   endorsed       by   four    justices,       with    only    Justice                       
                                                                                                                                
  Rabinowitz        dissenting.         (In    addition,        Justice      Moore     supported        the                     
                                                                                                                                
  result     on    the   alternative         ground      that    the    rural     preference        was    a                    
                                                                                                                                
  violation       of   equal    protection        under     the    Equal    Rights      Clause     of   the                     
                                                                                                                                
  Alaska     Constitution.          785   P.2d    at   12-13.)      The    McDowell      decision       was                     
                                                                                                                                
  the   product       of   extensive       deliberation         and    debate;      as    wrong-headed                          
                                                                                                                                
  as   some    may    believe      it   to   have    been,     it   nonetheless        stands      as   the                     
                                                                                                                                
  authoritative         construction         of   the   "equal     access"      clauses      of   Article                       
                                                                                                                                
  VIII-as      evidenced        most     prominently          by   its     reinforcement          in    the                     
                                                                                                                                
  Kenaitze        decision        five      years       later,       in     which       all     justices                        
                                                                                                                                
  (including        Justice      Rabinowitz)        joined.       Although      the    loss     of   state                      
                                                                                                                                
  management       over    the    public     lands     may    seem    a  harsh     price     to  pay    for                     
                                                                                                                                
  "equal     access"      as   construed       in   McDowell,       the    Court     was   fully     aware                      
                                                                                                                                
  of,    and     expressly         evaluated,         that     certain       consequence          of    its                     
                                                                                                                                
  decision      (785     P.2d    at   3,   4,    and   10    n.20),     which     in   any    event     had                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  4  In  the  present   context,   moreover,    there  is   an  additional   barrier   to   legislation   by                    
  initiative.   Although    natural   resource   management   generally    may  be  a proper   subject   for                    
  the  initiative   process,   Brooks   v.  Wright,   971  P.2d  1025   (Alaska   1999)  (upholding    wolf-                    
  snare-ban   initiative),    that  process   may  not  be  used  to  make  an  "appropriation"    of  state                    
  "assets,"   such   as  by   giving   a  wildlife-use    preference    to  one   user  group   as  against                     
  another.   Pullen   v.  Ulmer,   923   P.2d  54  (Alaska    1996)  (invalidating     proposed   "F.I.S.H.                     
  initiative,"   which   reserved   a  priority   for  salmon   harvests   by  personal   use,  sport,   and                    
 become     abundantly        obvious      by   the   time    the    Court    reaffirmed        McDowell                        
                                                                                                                                
 five     years     later      in   Kenaitze.          Public      policy,       public      officials,                         
                                                                                                                                
 regulators         and    legislators,          and     private       expectations,          moreover,                         
                                                                                                                                
 have      made      primary        adjustments          to    the      Court's       constitutional                            
                                                                                                                                
 interpretation.           The    McDowell-Kenaitze            rule,     construing        the   State's                        
                                                                                                                                
 organic      law,     simply      does    not    appear     vulnerable        to    reconsideration                            
                                                                                                                                
 at    this    late     date.     The    "impasse"       is    of   constitutional           dimension,                         
                                                                                                                                
 and it must be addressed at that level.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         The more difficult question is whether the necessary                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 constitutional           change      can     be   accomplished          merely      by    "amendment"                          
                                                                                                                                
 (proposed        to   the   people      by   a  two-thirds        vote    of    each    house     of   the                     
                                                                                                                                
 Legislature),          or   whether      it   entails      a  "revision"        (which     requires       a                    
                                                                                                                                
 constitutional          convention).         The    distinction        is   "that     a   revision      is                     
                                                                                                                                
 a    change        which      alters       the      substance         and     integrity         of     our                     
                                                                                                                                
 Constitution            in     a     manner       measured         both       qualitatively            and                     
                                                                                                                                
 quantitatively,"            Bess    v.    UImer,      985    P.2d    979,     982    (Alaska      1999),                       
                                                                                                                                
 whereas      "[t]he     process      of   amendment       ...   is   proper     for    those    changes                        
                                                                                                                                
 which      are    "few,     simple,       independent,          and    of   comparatively          small                       
                                                                                                                                
 importance.'"          Id.    at   987.     The    "core     determination,"           we    are   told,                       
                                                                                                                                
 "is    always     the    same:     whether      the    changes      are    so   significant        as   to                     
                                                                                                                                
 create      a   need    to   consider       the    constitution         as    an   organic      whole."                        
                                                                                                                                
 Id.     Beyond       that,      the     principles         set     out    in     Bess     are     rather                       
                                                                                                                                
 illusive,        especially       as    they    might     apply     to   the    issue     of   amending                        
                                                                                                                                
 the     Constitution         to    legalize       a   rural-residency-based               subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
 priority.          One   can    envision       formidable        arguments       on   both    sides     of                     
                                                                                                                                
 the    question.        For    present      purposes,        it    suffices       to   say    that     the                     
                                                                                                                                
 Constitution         must    be   altered      in   order     for   the    State     to   satisfy      the                     
                                                                                                                                
 conditions         for     state      management         imposed       by     section       805(d)      of                     
                                                                                                                                
 ANILCA,         but     whether         that      change        must      be      produced         by     a                    
                                                                                                                                
 constitutional           convention,        or   can    be    effectuated        through      the    more                      
                                                                                                                                
 expedient        process      of   a   constitutional           amendment,        is   an    open,     and                     
                                                                                                                                
 not easy, question.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         Prescribing            the      necessary          contours          of      the       required                        
                                                                                                                                
 constitutional           change      is    also     somewhat        perplexing.         In    order     to                     
                                                                                                                                
 achieve       the    desired       result-re-assumption              of    state     management-the                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence fisheries before allocating any portion to commercial fisheries).                                                  
  constitutional          change      will     need     to   be    specific       enough      to   ensure                       
                                                                                                                                
  that     a   statutory        "rural"       subsistence          priority,        consistent        with                      
                                                                                                                                
  ANILCA,       will     pass     state      constitutional           muster.       As    a    rule,      "a                    
                                                                                                                                
  specific       [constitutional]            amendment        controls        other      more     general                       
                                                                                                                                
  provisions       with     which     it   might     conflict."        Bess    v.   Ulmer,      985   P.2d                      
                                                                                                                                
  at   988   n.57.     But   it   is   also    "a   well     accepted      principle       of   judicial                        
                                                                                                                                
  construction          that,      whenever        possible,         every      provision         of    the                     
                                                                                                                                
  Constitution          should      be     given      meaning       and     effect,       and     related                       
                                                                                                                                
  provisions       should     be   harmonized."         Park    v.   State,     528   P.2d    785,    786-                      
                                                                                                                                
  87   (Alaska      1974).     In   the   specific       context      of   burdens      on   the   "equal                       
                                                                                                                                
  access"      principles       of   Article      VIII     of   the   Alaska     Constitution,          our                     
                                                                                                                                
  Supreme      Court    has    repeatedly        held    that    even     legislation        authorized                         
                                                                                                                                
  by    constitutional            amendment,         such     as     the     1972     Limited        Entry                      
                                                                                                                                
  Amendment       to   section      15   of   Article     VIII     (the    No   Exclusive       Right     of                    
                                                                                                                                
  Fishery        Clause),         must      be     narrowly         drawn       to     accomplish          a                    
                                                                                                                                
  constitutionally           important        purpose,      and    "must     be   designed       for    the                     
                                                                                                                                
  least    possible       infringement         on   Article      VIII's     open     access     values."                        
                                                                                                                                
  McDowell,       785   P.2d    at   30;    accord.      Owsichek      v.   State,      763   P.2d    488,                      
                                                                                                                                
  492   n.10     (1988);      Johns     v.   CFEC,     758   P.2d     1256.    1266     (1988);      State                      
                                                                                                                                
  v. Ostrosky, 667 P.2d 1184. 1191 (1983).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Thus, the more explicit the constitutional language-in terms                                                          
                                                                                                                                
  both    of   its    purpose       and   its    intended       effect-the        more     likely     that                      
                                                                                                                                
  implementing        legislation         will    be  sustained       against      challenges        based                      
                                                                                                                                
  on    other     applicable         constitutional           provisions,         like      the    equal-                       
                                                                                                                                
  access       and      equal-protection              clauses.        A     relatively          specific                        
                                                                                                                                
  constitutional           amendment         (or     revision,        if     necessary)         tracking                        
                                                                                                                                
  ANILCA's       key    terms     likely      would      validate       any    legislative         scheme                       
                                                                                                                                
  necessary       to   satisfy      the   requirements         of   section      805(d)      of   ANILCA.                       
                                                                                                                                
  For example:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Consistently with the sustained yield principle, customary and                                                        
                                                        5                                                                       
          traditional        subsistence         uses      of   fish     and    wildlife       by    rural                      
          Alaska      residents       shall      be   accorded        priority       over     all    other                      
          uses.     Whenever      restrictions         on    subsistence        uses    of    a  fish     or                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  5                                                                                                                             
          As described at pages 8-10 below, however, the phrase "customary and traditional uses"                                
  has  acquired    distinct   meanings    under   state  statutory    law   that  are   inconsistent    with                    
  ANILCA's  intended   meaning   of  the same  words.   To  foreclose   the possibility    that  these  same                    
  words   in  a  constitutional     amendment    will   be  interpreted    as   being   inconsistent    with                    
  ANILCA,  it  must  be  made  manifest  in  the  process   of amending   (or  reusing)   the Constitution                      
  that  the  "customary   and  traditional"    standard   being  added  to  state  constitutional    law  is                    
  intended to be at least as protective as the ANILCA standard.                                                                 
         wildlife        resource       are     necessary        for    conservation          purposes,                         
         preference        shall     be    given     to   those     rural      residents       with     the                     
         greatest       customary        and    direct      dependence        on   the    resource       as                     
         the     mainstay         of    livelihood,          who     reside       closest        to     the                     
         resource,        and   who    have     the    least     availability         of   alternative                          
         resources.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
         The    farther      the   constitutional           language      strays      from    that    or   a                    
                                                                                                                                
 similar         degree        of     specificity,            the      more       problematic           the                     
                                                                                                                                
 constitutionality of any implementing legislation becomes.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
         Assuming       an   adequate     change     in  the   Alaska    Constitution,     what    sort   of                  
                                                                                                                                
 implementing legislation is necessary for re-assumption of state management?                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         Section        805(d)       of     ANILCA,        as     well      as     the     Secretary's                          
                                                                                                                                
 regulation,          50    C.F.R.      §   100.14(d),         condition        state      subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
 management           on     the       public        lands       on      the      "enactment]           and                     
                                                                                                                                
 implementation]           of   [state]     laws     of  general      applicability,          which     are                     
                                                                                                                                
 consistent        with,     and    which    provide      for    the    definition,        preference,                          
                                                                                                                                
 and     participation           specified        in,     sections        803,     804,      and    805."                       
                                                                                                                                
 Although        the     State's       inability        to     provide       the     rural      priority                        
                                                                                                                                
 mandated        by     ANILCA       caused      the     surrender         of    state       management                         
                                                                                                                                
 authority,        there      are    a   number      of   other     critical       issues      that     now                     
                                                                                                                                
 would     also     need    to   be   resolved       in   any    implementing         legislation        in                     
                                                                                                                                
 order     for    state     law    to   be   brought      into    harmony      with    sections       803-                      
                                                                                                                                
 805.     The     "rural"      issue      itself,       however,       will     continue       to    be    a                    
                                                                                                                                
 significant         legislative         challenge,        even     if    the    Constitution         were                      
                                                                                                                                
 amended      to   explicitly        provide      for    a  subsistence        priority       for   rural                       
                                                                                                                                
 residents.         Following        is   a   brief      discussion        of    the    major      issues                       
                                                                                                                                
 successful implementing legislation will need to resolve.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         The    "rural"     issue.      The   State     has   yet    to  develop      an   approach      to                   
                                                                                                                                
 identifying         "rural     residents"        that     is   consistent        with    ANILCA.       The                     
                                                                                                                                
 courts      have    held     the   current       statutory       definition        of   "rural     area"                       
                                                                                                                                
 (from     the    1986    subsistence         law)-"a      community       or   area     of   the   state                       
                                                                                                                                
 in   which     the    noncommercial,          customary,        and   traditional         use   of   fish                      
                                                                                                                                
 or     game      for     personal        or     family       consumption          is    a    principal                         
                                                                                                                                
 characteristic            of    the     economy       of    the     community        or     area,"      AS                     
  16.05.940(27)-to           be   inconsistent        with    ANILCA.      Kenaitze       Indian     Tribe                      
                                                                                                                                
  v.  Alaska,      860    F.2d    312   (9th    Cir.    1988),     cert.     denied,      491   U.S.    905                     
                                                                                                                                
  (1989).      Although        the    "rural      area"      definition         has    been     moribund                        
                                                                                                                                
  since    the    McDowell       decision,       it   remains      on   the    books.      And,    in   the                     
                                                                                                                                
  1992     subsistence          law,     the     Legislature         essentially          adopted       the                     
                                                                                                                                
  inverse      of   the   "rural      area"     definition       to   identify       "nonsubsistence                            
                                                                                                                                
  areas."      AS    16.05.258(c)         ("an     area     or    community       where      dependence                         
                                                                                                                                
  upon    subsistence        is   not    a  principal       characteristic          of   the    economy,                        
                                                                                                                                
  culture,       and    way    of    life     of    the    area     or    community").         In    other                      
                                                                                                                                
  words,     current       non-subsistence           areas     are    the   state-law        equivalent                         
                                                                                                                                
  of   non-rural       areas.      See    State     v.   Kenaitze       Indian      Tribe,      894   P.2d                      
                                                                                                                                
  632, 634 (Alaska 1995).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          This approach is incompatible with ANILCA, under which a                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  number     of   communities        are   classified        as   "rural"     which     the   state-law                         
                                                                                                                                
  definition        (previously          invalidated         by    the     Ninth     Circuit's        1988                      
                                                                                                                                
  Kenaitze        decision)          would      classify         as     non-rural,          and      hence                      
                                                                                                                                
  ineligible        for   the    subsistence         priority.       See    50   C.F.R.     §§    100.15,                       
                                                                                                                                
  100.23.      As   evidenced       by   the    ever-changing          approach       of   the    Federal                       
                                                                                                                                
  Subsistence         Board     to    the    Kenai     Peninsula,         furthermore,         even     the                     
                                                                                                                                
  correct      interpretation           of    "rural      Alaska      residents"         under     ANILCA                       
                                                                                                                                
  remains      unsettled.        And    the    issue     probably       will     continue      to    evade                      
                                                                                                                                
  resolution        so   long    as   the    traditional         hunting      and   fishing       grounds                       
                                                                                                                                
  of   Alaska     Native      tribes     are    deemed      ineligible        for   the    subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
  priority       solely      because       of   the     "urbanizing"         influx      of    the    non-                      
                                                                                                                                
  indigenous       population.        But    the   salient      point     here    is  that,     in   order                      
                                                                                                                                
  to   satisfy      the   requirements         of   section      805(d)     of   ANILCA      and   secure                       
                                                                                                                                
  secretarial         approval       for    the     re-assumption          of    state     management,                          
                                                                                                                                
  implementing         legislation        will    need    to   abandon      previous       attempts       to                    
                                                                                                                                
  define      "rural''       in    an    uncommon       way.     Perhaps       the    surest      way     of                    
                                                                                                                                
  proceeding       would     be    for   the    legislation         simply     to   direct      the   fish                      
                                                                                                                                
  and   game    boards     to   accord     the    subsistence        priority      to   "rural     Alaska                       
                                                                                                                                
  residents,"          expressly        delegating          to    the      boards       the     task      of                    
                                                                                                                                
  determining        eligibility;         then    for    the   boards,      in   turn,     to   identify                        
                                                                                                                                
  the    same    communities         and    areas     the    Federal      Subsistence         Board     has                     
                                                                                                                                
  already        designated         as     "rural."         That,       of     course,        won't       be                    
                                                                                                                                
  satisfactory          to    those       who     feel     that      they     have      been      wrongly                       
 classified        as   urban,     but    it   will    likely     satisfy      the    Secretary.        Any                     
                                                                                                                                
 future      refinements        to   the    "rural     determination"          process      that    might                       
                                                                                                                                
 be    required      by    the   courts      could     be   resolved       easily      enough     by    the                     
                                                                                                                                
 boards      through      further      rulemaking,        since     the   statute      (if    it   merely                       
                                                                                                                                
 mirrors       the    language        of    ANILCA)      would      not    have     been     placed      in                     
                                                                                                                                
 jeopardy, as it was in the Kenaitze litigation in the 1980's.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
         "Customary and traditional uses" - who? In 1978, as ANILCA was                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 making       its      way     through       Congress,         the     Legislature          enacted        a                    
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         law    that     included       a   definition        of   "subsistence         uses"                       
                                                                                                                                
 adopted      from    a  version      of   ANILCA     that    had    already     passed      the   House,                       
                                                                                                                                
 but    not   yet    the   Senate.      The   1978    state     law   defined      subsistence        uses                      
                                                                                                                                
 as     "customary         and     traditional          uses     in     Alaska"       for     specified                         
                                                                                                                                
 purposes.       See    Madison     v.   Alaska      Dept.    of   Fish    &  Game,     696   P.2d    168,                      
                                                                                                                                
 170     (Alaska      1985).       As   finally       enacted       in    1980,     section       803    of                     
                                                                                                                                
 ANILCA      also    defines      subsistence        uses     as   "customary       and    traditional                          
                                                                                                                                
 uses,"      though      in   the    meantime       Congress       had    substituted         "by   rural                       
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska     residents"        for   "in    Alaska."      Putting      the    "rural"     issue     aside,                       
                                                                                                                                
 the    bedrock      standard-"customary            and    traditional        uses"-was       identical                         
                                                                                                                                
 in    both      federal       and    state      law.      So    it    has    remained:         "Despite                        
                                                                                                                                
 repeated       legal     challenges       to   and    multiple       revisions       of   the   [state]                        
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         laws,      'subsistence          uses'     have     long     been     defined       in                     
                                                                                                                                
 terms     of    'customary        and    traditional         uses."'      Payton      v.   State,      938                     
                                                                                                                                
 P.2d    1036,     1042    (Alaska      1997).     Remarkably,        however,       these    identical                         
                                                                                                                                
 words      have    meanings       under      state     law    that     are    entirely       different                         
                                                                                                                                
 from       their       federal        meanings.         Perhaps        the      most      significant                          
                                                                                                                                
 difference         is   the     way    the    customary-and-traditional-use                    standard                        
                                                                                                                                
 operates       under    state     law   to   determine       eligibility        for    participation                           
                                                                                                                                
 in particular subsistence hunts and fisheries.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         Sandwiched between the McDowell (1989) and Kenaitze (1995)                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 cases     is   the    Alaska     Supreme      Court's      decision      in   State     v.   Morry     836                     
                                                                                                                                
 P.2d    358,    365-368      (1992),      which     held,    among     other    things,      that    "all                      
                                                                                                                                
 Alaskans,"        no   matter     where    they     reside     or   what    their    circumstances,                            
                                                                                                                                
 are    eligible       to    travel      anywhere       in   the    State     and    participate         in                     
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence          hunting        and      fishing       on     equal       terms      with      local                       
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence          users.        The     Court       held      that      the     "customary          and                     
                                                                                                                                
 traditional          uses"       standard        does      not      provide        any     basis       for                     
  distinguishing           among       subsistence         users.        This,       of    course,        is                    
                                                                                                                                
  contrary      to    the    way    in   which     ANILCA      has    always     been     interpreted.                        
                                                                                                                                
  In   other     words,      under      ANILCA      even    a   qualified        rural     subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
  user    is   not    automatically         eligible       to   travel      to   some    distant      part                      
                                                                                                                                
  of    the     State,      outside        of    the     traditional         hunting       or     fishing                       
                                                                                                                                
  territory        of     his     or    her     place      of     residence,         and     engage       in                    
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence        hunting      and   fishing      on   the    public     lands.      See   50   C.F.R.                       
                                                                                                                                
  §§    100.15      (describing         the     process)        and    100.24       (specifying         the                     
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence        hunts     and    fisheries       and    the    rural     residents       (by    place                      
                                                                                                                                
  of residence) eligible to participate in them).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Since the "customary and traditional uses" standard has                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  acquired       a   settled      meaning       under     state     law    that     is    inconsistent                          
                                                                                                                                
  with     its      established          meaning       under       ANILCA,       any      implementing                          
                                                                                                                                
  legislation        designed      to   comply      with    section      805(d)     will    need     to   do                    
                                                                                                                                
  more    than    simply      parrot     the    section      803    definition        of   subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
  uses.     This    is    because,       when    a   legislature         adopts      a  term     from     an                    
                                                                                                                                
  existing        statute,         or     a    term      which       otherwise         possesses          an                    
                                                                                                                                
  authoritative         meaning,       it   is    presumed      that     the    lawmakers       intended                        
                                                                                                                                
  to   incorporate         that     same    meaning       into    the    new    statute,       unless      a                    
                                                       7                                                                        
  contrary      intent      is   made    manifest.        In   order     to   be   consistent        with,                      
                                                                                                                                
  and   provide      for   the    definition       and    preference       specified       in,    ANILCA,                       
                                                                                                                                
  therefore,         any      definition         of     subsistence           as    "customary          and                     
                                                                                                                                
  traditional        uses"    must    also    make    it   clear     that    the   definition        makes                      
                                                                                                                                
  eligible      for    participation          only    those     rural     residents       of    areas     or                    
                                                                                                                                
  communities         which       have     customary         and     traditional          use     of    the                     
                                                                                                                                
  particular         subsistence          resources.          Statutory        language         that      is                    
                                                                                                                                
  effective       for     this    purpose       will     undoubtedly         be   awkward,        perhaps                       
                                                                                                                                
  even     redundant,        but    it    is    necessary        to   achieve       the    consistency                          
                                                                                                                                
  required by section 805(d).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          "Customary and traditional uses"-what? The Alaska Supreme                                                           
                                                                                                                                
  Court    in   Morry     also    held,     quite     astonishingly,          that    the    "customary                         
                                                                                                                                
  and    traditional        uses"      standard       affords      legal     protection        only     for                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  6                                                                                                                             
           This holding derives largely from the Court's longstanding and consistent insistence                                 
  that  the  customary-and-traditional      standard    refers  exclusively    to  "uses,"   and  cannot  be                    
  applied  to  identify   "users."   Payton,   938  P.2d  at 1042;   Morry,  836  P.2d  at  368:  McDowell,                     
  785 P.2d at 9 n.9; Madison, 696 P.2d at 174.                                                                                  
  7                                                                                                                             
         E.g.. Muller v. BP Exploration (Alaska) Inc., 923 P.2d 783, 788 (Alaska 1996); State v.                              
  O'Neill Investigations. Inc. 609 P.2d 520,532 (Alaska 1980).                                                                  
 "how     fish    and    game    are    used     [after     they     are   taken],      not    how    they                      
                                                                                                                                
 are    harvested."         836    P.2d    at   370.     The    standard      does     not,    in   other                       
                                                                                                                                
 words,     protect      "traditional         patterns      and    methods      of  taking      fish    and                     
                                                                                                                                
 game      for    subsistence          purposes,"         or    "traditional          and     customary                         
                                                                                                                                
 methods      of    subsistence        takings."        Id.,    see    also    Totemoff       v.   State,                       
                                                                                                                                
 905    P.2d     954,    960-961      (Alaska       1995),     cert.     denied,       517    U.S.    1244                      
                                                                                                                                
 (1996).        This      implausible           construction           of     the     customary-and-                            
                                                                                                                                
 traditional         term    conflicts        with    both     ANILCA,      see    generally       Native                       
                                                                                                                                
 Village      of   Quinhagak       v.   United     States,      35   F.3d    388   (9th    Cir.    1994);                       
                                                                                                                                
 Bobby      v.   Alaska,       718    F.   Supp.      764    (D.    Alaska      1989),      and    common                       
                                                                                                                                
 sense.      This    dichotomy,        too,    must    be   eliminated        in   any   implementing                           
                                                                                                                                
 legislation         designed        to   displace        federal      management         (perhaps       by                     
                                                                                                                                
 defining       "subsistence        uses"     as   "customary        and   traditional        patterns,                         
                                                                                                                                
 practices, methods and means of takings and uses").                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         "Reasonable            opportunity."            The       "reasonable           opportunity"                         
                                                                                                                                
 standard       of    the    state-law       subsistence         priority       (first      adopted      in                     
                                                                                                                                
 the    1986    law,     now   appearing        at   AS   16.05.258(b)         and    (f))    is   widely                       
                                                                                                                                
 acknowledged         to    be   inconsistent         with    ANILCA.      See    Bobby     v.   Alaska,                        
                                  8                                                                                             
 718    F.   Supp.    at   781.     That    and    any   similar      standard      will    need    to   be                     
                                                                                                                                
 omitted       from    implementing         legislation         aimed     at   satisfying        section                        
                                                                                                                                
 805(d).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         "No subsistence defense." State law purports to strip                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         users      of   "a    defense      [to     a   prosecution         for    a   taking                       
                                                                                                                                
 violation]         that     the    taking       was    done     for     subsistence         uses,"      AS                     
                                                                                                                                
 16.05.259,          which      the     Alaska       Supreme        Court      has      construed        as                     
                                                                                                                                
 prohibiting           substantive          (though        not     procedural)           defenses        by                     
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         users.      Totemoff,        905    P.2d     at   969-973.       This,      too,    is                     
                                                                                                                                
 inconsistent         with    ANILCA,      United      States     v.   Alexander,        938    F.2d    942                     
                                                                                                                                
 (9th     Cir.     1991);      Bobby     v.    Alaska,      718    F.    Supp.     at    783-788,       and                     
                                                                                                                                
 should       be     repealed         in     conjunction          with      any     section        805(d)                       
                                                                                                                                
 implementing legislation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         "Customary trade." Section 803 of ANILCA defines subsistence                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 8                                                                                                                              
           One of the conditional, never-enacted ANILCA amendments procured by the State in the                                 
 1997  "Katie   John  moratorium"   would  have   added  "reasonable   opportunity"    as a  qualification                      
 of  the  section   804  priority.   Pub.  L.  No.  105-83,   §  316(b)(5),   Ill  Stat.  1543,   1592-1593                     
 (Nov.   14,   1997).   That   provision    (along    with   the  other   conditional     amendments)    was                    
 repealed    on   December   1,   1998,   without   ever   taking    effect,   because    the  Legislature                      
 declined to accept the congressional conditions. Id. at 1595 (§ 316(d)).                                                       
  uses    to   include      "for    barter      or   for    sharing      for   personal       or   family                       
                                                                                                                                
  consumption;          and     for    customary)         trade,"        see    United       States       v.                    
                                                                                                                                
  Alexander,         supra,       whereas        the     state-law         definition         qualifies                         
                                                                                                                                
  customary       trade    with    "for    personal       or  family      consumption":         "for    the                     
                                                                                                                                
  customary        trade,       barter,        or     sharing       for     personal         or    family                       
                                                                                                                                
  consumption."          AS    16.05.940(32).              This     inconsistency-between               the                     
                                                                                                                                
  unqualified          authorization           for     customary         trade       of    subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
  resources       in  section      803    and   the   state-law       limitation        of   such    trade                      
                                                                                                                                
  to   resources        taken      "for     personal       or    family      consumption"-derives                               
                                                                                                                                
  from    the   1978    subsistence         law,    and   existed      at   the    time    of   ANILCA's                        
                                                                                                                                
  passage.         The     inconsistency            was      solved        to     the      Secretary's                          
                                                                                                                                
  satisfaction        at   that    time    by   regulatory        action     of   the   fish    and   game                      
                                                        9                                                                       
  boards,       see    5    AAC    99.010(b)(7),            but    it    will      now    need      to    be                    
                                                                                                                                
  resolved by statute in any implementing legislation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Geographic scope of the priority. The state-law subsistence                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  priority      has    been     interpreted        as   not    applying       to   subsistence        fish                      
                                                                                                                                
  and    wildlife       resources        throughout         their     migratory        range.      Native                       
                                                                                                                                
  Village      of    Elim    v.    State,      990    P.2d     1,   12-13      (Alaska      1999).      The                     
                                                                                                                                
  ANILCA     priority,        in   contrast,        clearly      attaches       to    such    resources                         
                                                                                                                                
  throughout        their     migratory        travels.       That    is,    the    ANILCA      priority                        
                                                                                                                                
  prevents      resources       from    being     taken    for    non-subsistence          uses    in   one                     
                                                                                                                                
  part     of    their     range      if    that     would      deprive       rural      residents        in                    
                                                                                                                                
  another       part     of    the     range      of    sufficient        resources         to    satisfy                       
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence        uses.     See,    e.g.,     50   C.F.R.     §§   100.10(a)       (the    Secretary                         
                                                                                                                                
  retains      her    "existing       authority       to    restrict      or    eliminate       hunting,                        
                                                                                                                                
  fishing,      or   trapping       activities        [outside      of   the]    public      lands    when                      
                                                                                                                                
  such     activities        interfere        with     subsistence         hunting,       fishing,        or                    
                                                                                                                                
  trapping      on    the   public      lands     to   such    an    extent     as   to   result      in   a                    
                                                                                                                                
  failure      to   provide      the   subsistence         priority").        The    less    protective                         
                                                                                                                                
  scope     of   state      law    will     need    to    be   revised       in    any    implementing                          
                                                                                                                                
  legislation         to   make     clear     that     the    subsistence         priority        applies                       
                                                                                                                                
  throughout        the    migratory       range     of   all    fish     and    wildlife       that    are                     
                                                                                                                                
  customarily and traditionally taken for subsistence uses.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          The regional advisory council system. State statutory law has                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  9                                                                                                                             
          The same rulemaking process was employed to remedy the lack of a "rural" limitation in                                
  the  1978  law,  but  the  Court   invalidated   that  regulation    (as  unauthorized    by statute)   in                    
 never     provided       a   system     of   regional       advisory       councils       as   required                        
                                                                                                                                
 by   sections       805(a)-(d)        of   ANILCA.      This    deficiency,        as   with    several                        
                                                                                                                                
 others      mentioned       above,     was    remedied      in   the    early     1980's     (in   order                       
                                                                                                                                
 to   secure     secretarial        certification          of   compliance       with    ANILCA)      by   a                    
                                                                                                                                
 regulation         promulgated         by    the     fish     and    game     boards      creating        a                    
                                                                                                                                
 system      of   six    regional       councils.        See    5   AAC    96.200,      et    seq.    That                      
                                                                                                                                
 state     system,      however,       was   never     adequately        staffed      or   funded,      and                     
                                                                                                                                
 it    never      empowered        local     rural      residents        with     the    "meaningful"                           
                                                                                                                                
 management        role    envisioned        by   Congress.         As   soon    as   the   State     lost                      
                                                                                                                                
 ANILCA      management        authority       in   the    wake    of    the   McDowell       decision,                         
                                                                                                                                
 the    state      regional       council      system,      woefully       inadequate        though      it                     
                                                                                                                                
 was,     was    immediately         de-funded       and    decommissioned.                In    view    of                     
                                                                                                                                
 that     history,        any     implementing          legislation         aimed      at    reassuming                         
                                                                                                                                
 state     subsistence        management        on   the    public     lands     will    need    both    to                     
                                                                                                                                
 specifically          create      a   regional        council       system      as    prescribed        by                     
                                                                                                                                
 sections       805(a)-(d)       and    guarantee       adequate      funding      and   staffing       for                     
                                                                                                                                
 it.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         The above discussion is not intended to constitute an                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 exhaustive        listing      of   the    issues      that    need    to   be   addressed        in   any                   
                                                                                                                                
 implementing          legislation         necessary        for    the    State     to    comply      with                      
                                                                                                                                
 section        805(d)        of     ANILCA       and      displace         federal        subsistence                          
                                                                                                                                
 management        authority       on   the   public     lands.     Nor    does    it   purport     to   be                     
                                                                                                                                
 an    outline      of   the    essential        components        of   such     legislation.         This                      
                                                                                                                                
 discussion,         rather,       is    merely      an    attempt      to    highlight        the    more                      
                                                                                                                                
 significant         and     obvious      conflicts        between      the     state     and    federal                        
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence         laws     that     have     arisen      over     the    years-conflicts           that                      
                                                                                                                                
 will    of   necessity       require      resolution       in   the    course     of   any   effort     by                     
                                                                                                                                
 the     State       to    reassume        full      subsistence         management          authority.                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 its 1985 Madison decision.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                  A Catholic Perspective on Subsistence                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                      Our Responsibility Toward Alaska's Bounty and Our Human Family                                            
                                                                                                                                
                           A Pastoral Letter of the Catholic Bishops of Alaska                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          God has blessed Alaska with an abundance of natural resources, which form the backbone of                             
                                                                                                                                
  the life and economy of the people of Alaska. The harvest and sale of timber/fish, wildlife, oil, and                         
                                                                                                                                
  minerals stimulate the cash economy, create jobs, and allow Alaskans to provide for their families.                           
                                                                                                                                
          The fish and wildlife resources must be allocated fairly and justly to promote the common                             
                                                                                                                                
  good when they are insufficient to meet the needs of all. In recent years, Alaskans have engaged in a                         
                                                                                                                                
      spirited dialogue over the allocation of these resources and the subsistence needs of Alaska's                            
                                                                                                                                
  residents.[1]                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          We, the Catholic Bishops of Alaska, enter this dialogue to outline how Catholic social                                
                                                                                                                                
  teaching can serve as a guide in analyzing the situation.[2] We write primarily to the Catholic people                        
                                                                                                                                
  of the state, but we invite all Alaskans to reflect upon our contribution to the dialogue.                                    
                                                                                                                                
        In articulating a biblical view of the Catholic faith, the Second Vatican Council in 1965                               
                                                                                                                                
  criticized the tragic separation between faith and everyday life. The council stated Catholics cannot                         
                                                                                                                                
  "immerse themselves in earthly activities as if these latter were utterly foreign to religion, and                            
                                                                                                                                
   religion were nothing more than the fulfillment of acts of worship and the observance of a few moral                         
                                                                                                                                
  obligations."[3] In setting, forth that vision, the Council sought to return Catholics to a vision of a                       
                                                                                                                                
  lived faith given to all Christians in the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus called us to be                                    
                                                                                                                                
  peacemakers in the world. (Matthew 5:1-12).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
    We are not politicians or lawyers, and our purpose in writing is not to take a political or legal                           
 position  on the resolution of the issue. Rather, with this pastoral letter we provide a Catholic  analysis                    
                                                                                                                                
 of subsistence   that is not yet a part of the  public debate.  Catholic  social principles  can provide  a                    
                                                                                                                                
 perspective  on  social  issues that will help  Catholics  to  form  their consciences,  to engage   in the                    
                                                                                                                                
 public debate, and to take appropriate action.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Subsistence in Alaska - A Legal History                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         Understanding how the current impasse emerged is critical to resolving the subsistence issue.                          
                                                                                                                                
 In 1971,  in order  to settle the land claims  of Alaska  Native  peoples,  Congress   enacted  the Alaska                     
                                                                                                                                
 Native   Claims   Settlement  Act  (Settlement   Act).[4]  The  Settlement   Act  extinguished   aboriginal                    
                                                                                                                                
 claims  to hunting  and  fishing and  gave Alaska   Natives  title to 44 million acres of land and  $962.5                     
                                                                                                                                
 million.  [5] When   enacting  the Settlement   Act, Congress   also promised   to protect the subsistence                     
                                                                                                                                
 needs  of the Alaska  Native  peoples  and  directed the Secretary  of Interior to take the necessary steps                    
                                                                                                                                
 to provide  that protection. The  Congressional   Conference   Report  was  dear in its concern for Alaska                     
                                                                                                                                
 Native   subsistence  protection,  stating, "The   conference   committee,   after  careful  consideration,                    
                                                                                                                                
 believes  that all Native  interests in  subsistence  resource  lands  can  and  will be protected   by the                    
                                                                                                                                
 Secretary through exercise of his existing withdrawal authority." [6]                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         Nearly a decade later, in 1980, the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (Lands                             
                                                                                                                                
 Act)  was  enacted  for the designation and  conservation  of public  lands in Alaska  and  to provide that                    
                                                                                                                                
 those  engaged  in a subsistence  lifestyle could continue  that lifestyle.[7] The Lands  Act  fulfilled the                   
                                                                                                                                
 promise   Congress  had  made  to the Alaska  Native  peoples when   it enacted the Settlement  Act. Using                     
                                                                                                                                
 race-neutral  language,  Title VIII  of the Lands  Act  provides  that subsistence  uses  by  rural Alaska                     
                                                                                                                                
 residents  be the priority consumptive   use  of fish and wildlife resources  on  federal public lands. [8]                    
                                                                                                                                
 Subsistence   uses  by  rural  residents  cannot  be  restricted until all  other uses  are  curtailed  and                    
                                                                                                                                
 regulations   of subsistence   must  be  consistent   with  customary   and  traditional  uses.  [9] When                    
                                                                                                                                
 populations  are healthy, however,   no limit on other consumptive   uses  is necessary, and all users have            
                                                                                                                                
 harvest opportunities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         The Lands Act recognizes the state's traditional role as manager of fish and wildlife on all                         
                                                                                                                                
 federal lands  in Alaska,  but requires the state to manage   these resources  on federal  lands according                   
                                                                                                                                
 to the federal  subsistence  requirement[10]   Initially, in response to the Lands  Act, state law  limited                    
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence  to rural residents and  the state implemented   Title VIII of the Lands  Act  from 1986   until                   
  1989. However,   in 1989  the Alaska   Supreme   Court ruled  that the Alaska Constitution  precluded   the                   
                                                                                                                                
  state from granting priority access to fish and wildlife based on place of residence. [11]                                  
                                                                                                                                
          As a consequence of the Alaska Supreme Court ruling, the state could no longer guarantee a                            
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence  priority  for  rural residents.  In  response,   the federal  government     in  1990  began                     
                                                                                                                                
  implementing   Title VIII  of the Lands   Act on  most  federally  owned   lands in Alaska.  In  1999,  the               
                                                                                                                                
  federal government    significantly  expanded   its management     to include  regulation  of  subsistence                
                                                                                                                                
  harvests in many   navigable   waters  throughout  Alaska.  The   state continues  to regulate all uses  in                 
                                                                                                                                
  areas not  subject to federal  management,    and  in areas subject  to federal subsistence  management                     
                                                                                                                                
  when not preempted by conflicting federal regulations.  [12]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                   The State of Dialogue on Subsistence                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Since the Alaska Supreme Court's 1989 ruling, Alaskans have searched for ways to                                    
                                                                                                                                
  recognize  and provide  for subsistence  needs  of residents  while  returning full authority for fish and                
                                                                                                                                
  wildlife management     to the  state. In recent  years, the  debate  has crystallized  into two  primary                   
                                                                                                                                
  questions:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  Should  the state amend   its constitution  to allow  for a rural priority? Should   Congress  amend    the                   
                                                                                                                                
  Lands Act to eliminate the rural priority and allow equal access for all Alaskans?                                            
                                                                                                                                
          While the particulars of the subsistence issue are unique to Alaska, similar debates have                             
                                                                                                                                
  occurred  throughout  human    history under  similar circumstances.   John  Paul II has noted,  "Delicate                    
                                                                                                                                
  problems   arise  when   a  minority   group   puts  forward   claims  which    have  particular  political                   
                                                                                                                                
  implications. ...In such delicate  circumstances,  dialogue  and  negotiation  are the obligatory  path  to                   
                                                                                                                                
  peace. The   willingness  of parties  involved  to meet   and  talk to one  another  is the indispensable                     
                                                                                                                                
  condition  for reaching  an  equitable solution  to the  complex   problems   that can  seriously obstruct                    
                                                                                                                                
  peace."[13]                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          Dialogue on the protection of subsistence rights began during the negotiation of the                                  
                                                                                                                                
  Settlement  Act,  and  resulted  nine years  later in an  apparent  resolution  in the  Lands  Act.  What                     
                                                                                                                                
  Congress  envisioned   at the time of the Settlement  Act  as a protection  of Alaska  Native  subsistence                    
                                                                                                                                
  rights was  codified  as a  rural subsistence   priority in the  Lands  Act.  Some   felt that the Alaska                     
                                                                                                                                
  Natives  had  compromised     their original  claim  to  a "Native   preference"  and  agreed   to a  rural                   
 subsistence  priority. [14] The  Lands   Act  statute resulted in a subsistence  priority that included  all                   
                                                                                                                                
 rural residents, but did not include Alaska Natives living in urban areas.                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         For some Alaskans, a rural subsistence priority is seen as discriminatory, contradicting the                           
                                                                                                                                
 state constitutional  provisions  that provide  for  equal access  for all. This  perspective  upholds  the                    
                                                                                                                                
 notion  of equal  access and  opportunity  of all peoples.  We  recognize  the  rationale of this argument                     
                                                                                                                                
 and acknowledge its place in the public debate.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         We note at the onset, however, that "equal access" in itself does not guarantee a fair                                 
                                                                                                                                
 resolution. Due   to the importance  of the Alaska  Constitution  Article VIII  equal access  provisions in                    
                                                                                                                                
 the subsistence  debate,  we address  the moral  implications  of upholding  equal  access  above  all other                   
                                                                                                                                
 values.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         First, equal access is a means toward achieving the universal destination of goods, [15] not                           
                                                                                                                                
 an  end in and  of itself. Public policy should  strive to fulfill the Creator's intent of providing for the                   
                                                                                                                                
 needs  of God's  children, but it is not difficult to envision scenarios in which "equal  access" provides                     
                                                                                                                                
 opportunity   only  to those  most   able  to take  advantage   of the  opportunity.  [16]  Pope   Paul  VI                    
                                                                                                                                
 recognizes  that equality can sometimes   result in exploitation and  discrimination. "Without   a renewed                     
                                                                                                                                
 education  in solidarity, an overemphasis   on  equality can give  rise to an individualism  in which  each                    
                                                                                                                                
 one claims his own right without wishing to be answerable for the common good. "[17]                                           
                                                                                                                                
         Second, equal treatment assumes that all citizens begin on equal footing with equal                                    
                                                                                                                                
 opportunity.  Such  is not the case  in Alaska.  The  original inhabitants of Alaska   had little say in the                   
                                                                                                                                
 century  of political events leading  to statehood, and  had to adapt  to new  economic,   legal, and value                    
                                                                                                                                
 systems.  By  enshrining  equal  access  provisions  at the time  of statehood, the  constitutions' authors                    
                                                                                                                                
 may   have created  an injustice for the Alaska  Native peoples.  Perhaps  this injustice should be part of                    
                                                                                                                                
 the debate, addressed with compassion, honesty, creativity, and respect.                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         Finally, unequal treatment can result from recognition that the circumstances of all people's                          
                                                                                                                                
   lives are not identical and sometimes those circumstances dictate disparate treatment. [18] We must                          
                                                                                                                                
 distinguish between those policies that unjustly discriminate, and those that require recognition of                           
                                                                                                                                
   differences among peoples. The former must be fought aggressively, while the latter must be crafted                          
                                                                                                                                
 to ensure that justice is achieved. A system which provides subsistence opportunities for all                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Alaskans, but which affords a priority for some residents in time of limited resources, may achieve                            
  greater justice than simple equal access if it is created prudently and administered responsibly.                             
                                                                                                                                
          Justice has never required a mathematical equality among people. The Church describes                                 
                                                                                                                                
  three dimensions  of justice: commutative,   distributive, and social.[19] Commutative    justice demands                     
                                                                                                                                
  fundamental   fairness  in agreements    between   individuals  or  private  groups.  Distributive  justice                   
                                                                                                                                
  speaks to the allocation of income,   wealth, and  power,  and suggests  that the allocation be viewed   in                   
                                                                                                                                
  light of the impact on those  whose  material needs  are not met. Finally, social, or contributive, justice                   
                                                                                                                                
  describes the duty of all members of a community to foster the welfare of the whole community.                                
                                                                                                                                
          Allowing equal access to fish and wildlife resources during times of resource scarcity does                           
                                                                                                                                
not assure a just resolution of the issue. Equal access does not always result in a practical fairness for                      
                                                                                                                                
  those who may not have a means of access or for the community as a whole. Recognizing that no                                 
                                                                                                                                
   solution is simple, we ask our Catholics to enter the dialogue with a commitment to apply the social                         
                                                                                                                                
  teachings of our Church and to reflect the love of Christ for all people.                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                         Catholic Social Teaching                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        The social teachings of the Church, founded on the Gospel and developed extensively during                              
                                                                                                                                
  the past century, provide principles and guidelines for developing a Christian perspective on the                             
                                                                                                                                
  social and moral issues of our day. In attempting to understand subsistence and in creating a fish and                        
                                                                                                                                
  wildlife allocation system that fairly determines harvest opportunities in times of shortage, the                             
                                                                                                                                
  principles of solidarity, the preferential option for the poor and vulnerable, subsidiarity, care of                          
                                                                                                                                
  creation, and the dignity of work are particularly relevant.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Solidarity                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          From the time of Genesis to today, we continue to ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?" The                                
                                                                                                                                
  response  of Christians, both  then  and now,  is a definitive "Yes"  - we  are indeed  our  brothers' and                    
                                                                                                                                
  sisters' keepers.[20] It is only  through   community    that we   fully realize our  human   dignity  and                    
                                                                                                                                
  together  promote   the  common     good.   An   injustice to  any   member    of  the  human    family  is                   
                                                                                                                                
  incompatible with the common good and with our own human dignity.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Solidarity allows us to see "others" as "neighbors" and impels us to love one another, share                          
                                                                                                                                
  with one another, and recognize that we are one human family - regardless of geographic, racial,                              
                                                                                                                                
  economic, or ideological differences. The failure to live in solidarity with one another can have dire                        
 consequences, as Jesus made clear in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19-31). It                               
                                                                                                                                
  was the rich man's failure to recognize Lazarus' needs, to stand in solidarity with Lazarus, which led                        
                                                                                                                                
 to his eternal condemnation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         There are many valid interests at stake in the debate on subsistence, but finding the delicate                         
                                                                                                                                
 balance  among    personal interests and  the common     good  requires a commitment     to solidarity. The                    
                                                                                                                                
 solidarity to which  Christians  must aspire  is an active one. "If a brother or sister has nothing to wear                    
                                                                                                                                
 and  has no food  for the day, and one  of you says to them,  'Go in peace, keep  warm,  and  eat well,' but                   
                                                                                                                                
 you  do not give  them  the necessities of the body, what  good  is it?" (James 2:15-16).  As  John Paul  II                   
                                                                                                                                
 wrote,  solidarity "is not a feeling of vague  compassion    or shallow  distress at the misfortunes  of so                    
                                                                                                                                
 many   people,"  but rather "a firm  and  persevering  determination  to commit    oneself to the common                       
                                                                                                                                
 good." [21]                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         Christians who dynamically live out the call to solidarity find themselves standing with their                         
                                                                                                                                
 brothers  and sisters. One aspect  of solidarity that is of particular import in the subsistence dialogue is                   
                                                                                                                                
 the requirement   to show  respect and  honor  for the culture and traditions of indigenous  peoples.  [22]                    
                                                                                                                                
 In Alaska,  where  the indigenous   peoples  have become   a minority  population,  it is incumbent  on the                    
                                                                                                                                
 larger  society to  protect and  safeguard   the right  of the  Alaska  Native   people  to preserve   their                   
                                                                                                                                
 cultures.[23]  Protecting subsistence  rights is one of the most important  issues facing  Alaska  Natives,                    
                                                                                                                                
 due  to the centrality of subsistence  to the  health of the cultures. [24]  More  than  10,000  years  ago                    
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska   Natives' ancestors,  Alaska's first subsistence  gatherers, arrived in Alaska.  For  thousands  of                    
                                                                                                                                
 years, the Alaska  Native  peoples  lived in a subsistence  economy,   drawing   their human  and  spiritual                   
                                                                                                                                
 values from the heritage of the land, the water, and the wildlife.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
         Today, the Alaska Native cultures contribute enormously to Alaskan society with traditional                            
                                                                                                                                
 perspectives   on  respect for  creation and  the  family,  particularly elders; rich and   diverse Native                     
                                                                                                                                
 languages;  and  the creativity and emotional   power  of art and dance.  All of these point to a dynamic,                     
                                                                                                                                
 vibrant, and ultimately joyful expression of humanity's finest efforts and insights.                                           
                                                                                                                                
         In spite of this cultural richness, there is today a collective vulnerability of Alaska Native                         
                                                                                                                                
 peoples  and  their traditions. Much    like the experience   of the indigenous   peoples  in all of North                     
                                                                                                                                
 America,   Alaska  Native  peoples   found  mixed  blessings  in their encounter   with the  European   and                    
                                                                                                                                
 American   ways   of life. Much was  gained  from  the encounter,  but there also resulted many   instances                    
  of cultural oppression  and  injustice. [25] While  not placing  blame,  the Alaska  Native  Commission                       
                                                                                                                                
  has documented a "long-term and concerted assault on Alaska Native cultures." [26]                                            
                                                                                                                                
          We Catholic Bishops acknowledge that there have been times when Catholic leaders and                                  
                                                                                                                                
  teachers contributed  to that assault on the Alaska  Native cultures or tailed to counter it. We  must not                    
                                                                                                                                
  bury that past. We   are proud,  however,   of the missionaries  who   provided  education  and  technical                    
                                                                                                                                
  advancements to the indigenous people, along with the good news of the Gospel.                                                
                                                                                                                                
        Today, as a consequence of the rapid transitions the Alaska Native peoples have undergone,                              
                                                                                                                                
  particularly during the past century, they find themselves facing enormous difficulties. Alaska                               
                                                                                                                                
  Natives as a group endure the highest poverty in the state. Several of the indigenous languages are                           
                                                                                                                                
  threatened with  extinction and many   communities   still suffer the consequences  of decades  of cultural                   
                                                                                                                                
  suppression. Dismal statistics indicate the perilous situation of the Alaska Native cultures:                                 
                                                                                                                                
      · The suicide rate of Native males 20 to 24 years old is more than 30 times the national suicide                          
                                                                                                                                
          rate for all age groups.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      · Natives are 16 percent of Alaska's population, but represent 32 percent of the prison                                   
                                                                                                                                
          population.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      · The Native substance abuse mortality rate is 3.5 times the non-Native rate.[27]                                         
                                                                                                                                
          This evidence suggests a degree of disintegration of the traditional culture and its values. The                      
                                                                                                                                
  importance   of subsistence  to maintaining  Alaska   Native  cultural health cannot  be  underestimated.                     
                                                                                                                                
  According   to the report of the Alaska   Native  Commission,    "Subsistence,  being  integral to [Alaska                    
                                                                                                                                
  Native] world   view  and among   the  strongest ties to their ancient cultures, is as much  spiritual and                    
                                                                                                                                
  ultural as it is physical. "[28] Subsistence   has been   described  as "the main   thread, in the overall                    
                                                                                                                                
  fabric of Native culture."[29]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          In developing a resolution to the subsistence question, Christians should stand in solidarity                         
                                                                                                                                
   with those suffering an erosion of culture. Solidarity may begin with respecting past commitments to                         
                                                                                                                                
  the Alaska Native peoples and making efforts to "satisfy their legitimate social, health and cultural                         
                                                                                                                                
  requirements. "[30]                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Preferential Option for the Poor and the Vulnerable                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          The Christian call to solidarity is also lived out in the preferential option for the poor and                        
 vulnerable.  The  option  for the poor is not intended  to pit people  against one  another;  rather, it is a                  
                                                                                                                                
 recognition  that the afflictions of the poor and  vulnerable  wound   the whole  community.    [31] In the                    
                                                                                                                                
 life of families, it is often necessary to shower attention on  one member    of the family who  is in need                    
                                                                                                                                
 -   an infant, an  aged  grandparent,  or one  afflicted with an  illness. This focus  of attention on  one                    
                                                                                                                                
 family  member    does  not diminish  the family's  love  of other family  members,   but  is a recognition                    
                                                                                                                                
 that for the well being of the entire family, the focus is on the most vulnerable.                                             
                                                                                                                                
         The Christian imperative to exhibit a preferential option for the poor and vulnerable is not                           
                                                                                                                                
 limited  to the private  sphere. This  love  is often most   effectively manifested   in the promotion   of                    
                                                                                                                                
 justice. [32] Ultimately,  the effectiveness of a community    or political entity must be  judged  by how                     
                                                                                                                                
 well  it protects and  promotes   the  interests of those  most  vulnerable   in the society.  [33] In  this                   
                                                                                                                                
 discussion  on the future  of subsistence in Alaska,  it is therefore legitimate to ask, "Who  are the poor                    
                                                                                                                                
 and vulnerable among us?"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Those members of the community who struggle with the indignity of severe economic                                      
                                                                                                                                
 hardship  merit  our special care and  attention. In Alaska's three major  urban  centers, 5-10  percent of                    
                                                                                                                                
 the  population  live below  the  poverty  level; in rural areas, the percentages  are much   higher,  with                    
                                                                                                                                
 some   rural areas experiencing   poverty rates as high  as 39  percent. [34] Among    ethnic  groups, it is                   
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska   Natives who   are most  afflicted by poverty,  having  the lowest  per capita income   in the state                   
                                                                                                                                
 and  making   up  the largest group   of Alaskans   living in poverty.[35]  Statewide,  the  percentage  of                    
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska Natives living below the poverty level exceeds 20 percent. [36]                                                         
                                                                                                                                
         The preferential option for the poor and vulnerable is central to any discussion on the just                           
                                                                                                                                
 allocation  of resources.  When   limitations  are necessary   to maintain  sustainable  fish and  wildlife                    
                                                                                                                                
 populations,  these God-given   resources  must  be available, as far as possible, to those in the greatest                    
                                                                                                                                
 need. All Alaskans must recognize the legitimate needs of the economically disadvantaged.                                      
                                                                                                                                
         In a recent poll, an overwhelming majority of Alaskans indicated their support for a rural                             
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence  priority.[37] This  response   speaks  to the understanding   of Alaskans   that it is in rural                   
                                                                                                                                
 areas  where  there is the greatest overlap between   the economically   poor  and those  whose   culture is                   
                                                                                                                                
 vulnerable,  and  that subsistence is necessary  to the maintenance    of that culture. Support  for a rural                   
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence   priority reflects  a  just and   generous   impulse   in so  many    Alaskans.   In practice,                    
                                                                                                                                
 implementation    of a  rural subsistence  priority may  be  the single  most  important  political step in                    
  moving toward a just resolution of the subsistence debate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          The subsistence debate, however, must also include a discussion of the poor, both Native and                          
                                                                                                                                
  non-Native,  no  matter their place  of residence, whether   rural, suburban,  or urban. Outside   of rural                   
                                                                                                                                
  areas, thousands  of Alaskans   live in poverty within  the cities and along  the road  system.  Many   are                   
                                                                                                                                
  unemployed,   and  many   more   comprise   the working   poor  who,  despite  employment,    cannot  earn                    
                                                                                                                                
  enough  to adequately  support  their families. For these, supplemental   assistance is often necessary  to                   
                                                                                                                                
  make ends meet.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Maintaining subsistence opportunities whenever possible for the urban and suburban poor                               
                                                                                                                                
  who  rely on the fish and wildlife resources  can simultaneously   contribute to families' economic  well-                    
                                                                                                                                
  being, lessen dependence   upon  public  assistance, and foster the sense of self-respect and  dignity that                   
                                                                                                                                
  comes  from   providing  for one's  family. Any   effort to guarantee  subsistence  opportunities  for  the                   
                                                                                                                                
  poor should be viewed, not as charity, but as justice.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Subsidiarity                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Pope Pius XI first introduced the Catholic principle of subsidiarity in 1931, as an                                   
                                                                                                                                
  understanding  that the people  most  directly affected by  decisions should  make   those decisions. [38]                    
                                                                                                                                
  The  principle was  most  recently  articulated by  John  Paul II, who  wrote  that under  subsidiarity  "a                   
                                                                                                                                
  community   of a higher order  should  not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower  order,                   
                                                                                                                                
  depriving  the  latter of its functions,  but  rather should  support   it in case  of need   and  help  to                   
                                                                                                                                
  coordinate  its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always  with a view  to the common                       
                                                                                                                                
  good"  [39] Subsidiarity  promotes  decentralization,  as well as responsibility at lower  levels of social                   
                                                                                                                                
  organization. John  Paul  II wrote, "...it would appear  that needs are best understood   and  satisfied by                   
                                                                                                                                
  people  who  are closest to them   and  who  act as neighbors   to those in need"  [40]  For instance,  the                   
                                                                                                                                
  family  has specific  responsibilities that it does  not  abrogate  to local  government,   and  the  local                   
                                                                                                                                
  community has duties that it does not abrogate to the state.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          The state's interest in regaining its full management authority over fish and wildlife resources                      
                                                                                                                                
  on federal  land  is consistent  with the  long-standing   principle of  subsidiarity. [41] The   Catholic                    
                                                                                                                                
  Church   articulates this principle  and  understands   it as  a principle  of  both  human   society  and                    
                                                                                                                                
  American   governance.   The  principle of subsidiarity and  the prudential  judgment   of most  Alaskans                     
                                                                                                                                
  favor a return of management to state government with local participation.[42]                                                
          Stewardship                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         In the very act of creation, God gave humans the responsibility to be the stewards of God's                            
                                                                                                                                
 creation  for the  good  of  the entire  human   family.  Among    all creatures, humans    have  a unique                   
                                                                                                                                
 relationship  with  the Creator  and  creation. ''God  said: 'Let us  make  man   in our  image,  after our                    
                                                                                                                                
 likeness. Let them  have  dominion   over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, over all                  
                                                                                                                                
 the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.'" (Gen 1:26).                                               
                                                                                                                                
         Subsistence, by any definition, concerns the just stewardship of the fish and wildlife                                 
                                                                                                                                
 resources provided by the Creator. The resources are a gift from God, their stewardship being a                                
                                                                                                                                
 fundamental human responsibility since the beginning of time.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
         From carving ivory for a spearhead to etching silicon chips for computers, people have                                 
                                                                                                                                
 always   used the  God-given   resources.  But  the stewardship   of creation is both  a gift to use and  a                  
                                                                                                                                
 tremendous    responsibility.  Men   and   women    must   harvest  the  world's  resources   wisely,  with                
                                                                                                                                
 prudence    and  respect,  "conscious   of  our  duties  and  obligations   to future  generations"   [43]-                  
                                                                                                                                
 Appropriate   recognition of this gift requires an appreciation of and  respect for both the Giver  of gifts                 
                                                                                                                                
 and all of those to whom they are given, that is, the entire human family.                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         Stewardship of Alaska's fish and wildlife resources occurs at many levels, including                                   
                                                                                                                                
 management by federal, state, and local governments, as well as by individuals. We consider, for                               
                                                                                                                                
  instance, the role of recreational hunters and sport fishermen in the context of stewardship. As many                         
                                                                                                                                
 will attest, much of the value found in hunting and fishing is experiencing and exploring the beauty                           
                                                                                                                                
 of nature. The hunting tradition is often handed down from one generation to another, and indeed,                              
                                                                                                                                
 many recreational hunters of today are only a few generations removed from the time when their                                 
                                                                                                                                
 ancestors lived a subsistence lifestyle. Hunting and fishing for recreational purposes is where some                           
                                                                                                                                
 feel closest to God.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         Those who live a subsistence lifestyle have a particularly unique relationship with nature.                            
                                                                                                                                
 Through   their daily  natural connection   with the  land and  the work,  they  experience  creation  and,                  
                                                                                                                                
 with  their Creator, proclaim,  "It is good."  The  traditional belief in Alaska  Native  cultures that the            
                                                                                                                                
 animals  offer themselves   to the hunter, that they "sacrifice themselves,"'  engenders  a unique  respect              
                                                                                                                                
 and  reverence  for the  animals.  This is manifested   in rituals associated with  the hunt  - rituals that           
                                                                                                                                
 communicate honor and thanks to the animal, and through the animal, to its Creator.                                          
          It must be noted that the traditional subsistence lifestyle has changed dramatically over the                         
                                                                                                                                
  past century,  as the  human   relationship  to creation  has adapted   to modem    ways.  [44]  Increased                    
                                                                                                                                
  populations  and  contemporary    tools, machines   and  technology  brought   changes  in  the traditional                   
                                                                                                                                
  methods   of hunting  and  gathering,  and  gave  rise to necessary  regulations  and  laws  to achieve   a                   
                                                                                                                                
  sustainable  natural bounty.  It must  not  be  forgotten, however,   that God   endowed    nature  with  a                   
                                                                                                                                
  wondrous   power   to communicate    God's  presence,  power,  and  beauty.  Future regulations  must  not                    
                                                                                                                                
  deprive God's children the opportunity to learn and seek inspiration from creation.                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          The Dignity of Work                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          Having been placed on earth as stewards of God's creation, it is through human labor that we                          
                                                                                                                                
  participate in this creation, expressing  and  increasing our  human   dignity. Transforming   nature  and                    
                                                                                                                                
  adapting  it to  our  human   needs,  the  very  essence   of work,   allows  us  to become    more   fully                   
                                                                                                                                
  human.[45]   Unlike  the  secular view  of  work  simply   as purely  a matter  of economics,   Christians                    
                                                                                                                                
  understand work as their role in being co-creators with God.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          In the prolonged debate about subsistence in Alaska, the discussion is rarely couched in                              
                                                                                                                                
  terms that recognize subsistence as a form of work.. Subsistence in traditional cultures cannot be                            
                                                                                                                                
  labeled and dissected, yet the very act of harvesting fish and wildlife resources for personal or                             
                                                                                                                                
  communal consumption can, in one sense, be understood as work. Preparing fishing nets and                                     
                                                                                                                                
  firearms, checking snow machine and outboard motors, hunting wild animals for food, cutting and                               
                                                                                                                                
 drying fish, and picking berries and gathering firewood are all activities that physically sustain those                       
                                                                                                                                
  residents practicing subsistence.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Measured solely in economic terms, subsistence activities have substantial value. In rural                            
                                                                                                                                
  Alaska, subsistence activities supply about 375 pounds of food per person each year with a                                    
                                                                                                                                
  replacement value estimated at $131.1 - $218.6 million. [46] In urban areas, subsistence harvests                             
                                                                                                                                
   supply 22 pounds of food per person valued at $48 million.[47] The subsistence food harvest in rural                         
                                                                                                                                
   areas represents only two percent of the annual harvest in Alaska, but without these resources, many                         
                                                                                                                                
  rural communities might not survive. [48]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          The value of subsistence, from a spiritual viewpoint, far transcends its economic value.                              
                                                                                                                                
  Work, while providing for the physical sustenance of oneself and one's family, has many other                                 
                                                                                                                                
  dimensions in the Catholic faith. Work corresponds to one's human dignity and expresses and                                   
 increases that dignity. Work is a foundation for the formation of family life, and the condition                               
                                                                                                                                
 making family life possible. It is work that allows one to contribute to the common good together                              
                                                                                                                                
 with one's community.[49]                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         The Catholic understanding of work is mirrored in the culture of the Alaska Native peoples,                            
                                                                                                                                
 who recognize that subsistence is more than economics, "in addition to supplying food and other                                
                                                                                                                                
 necessities, it provides people with productive labor, personal self-esteem, strong family and                                 
                                                                                                                                
 community relationships, and a cultural foundation that can never be replaced"[50] The seal hunter                             
                                                                                                                                
 and the berry picker are fulfilling both the Creator's commands and their own identity at all social                           
                                                                                                                                
 levels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         "Since work in its subjective aspect is always a personal action...it follows that the whole                           
                                                                                                                                
 person, body and spirit, participates in it, whether it is manual or intellectual work.." [51] Alaska                          
                                                                                                                                
 Native cultures have consistently described subsistence as more than a physical activity for the                               
                                                                                                                                
 procurement of food. It is a spiritual endeavor, involving the whole person and the community,                                 
                                                                                                                                
 inspiring the art, dance, story telling, and festivals of indigenous cultures.                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         The Church recognizes the obligation of people to work and to meet the needs of the family                             
                                                                                                                                
 and   the community.    Corresponding    to  this obligation  is  the right  to have   work  opportunities                     
                                                                                                                                
 available.  In the  context  of subsistence,  focused   wildlife research,  justly and  wisely  formulated                     
                                                                                                                                
 regulations,  and  prudent   law  enforcement   are  all used  to  effectively manage    fish and  wildlife                    
                                                                                                                                
 resources so that opportunities for subsistence use are maintained.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         Conclusion                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         Although Alaska's subsistence dilemma is primarily perceived and reported as a political                               
                                                                                                                                
 debate,  it is ultimately a matter of Alaskans  struggling to discern the right path to achieve  peace  and                    
                                                                                                                                
 justice, and  daring  to move   beyond   the limits imposed   by  the past. The   task is neither easy  nor                    
                                                                                                                                
 simple.  There  is an  "urgent  need  to change   the spiritual attitudes which   define each  individual's                    
                                                                                                                                
 relationship  with self, with neighbor,  with  even  the remotest  human   communities,   and  with  nature                    
                                                                                                                                
 itself." [52] Such a conversion of heart has enormous implications in the public arena.                                        
                                                                                                                                
         We, the Catholic Bishops of Alaska, offer these reflections not as a solution to the                                   
                                                                                                                                
 subsistence  impasse,  but out of a love for all people and  a desire to promote  human   dignity and  well                    
   being. We have brought to your attention various principles of Catholic social teaching, connecting                          
                                                                                                                                
     them with the many elements of the subsistence debate. It is our hope that these principles will                           
                                                                                                                                
  become a part of the dialogue that is taking place in our state.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      We urge all parties to respectfully listen to and appreciate those who hold opinions different                            
                                                                                                                                
       from their own. Discussions must continue between the sport hunter and the rural subsistence                             
                                                                                                                                
  hunter, the commercial fisherman and the guide.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        Old and young, rich and poor, newly arrived and long-time residents, Native and non-Native                              
                                                                                                                                
  - the time is at hand for all to search out a common solution. We share with all a love of this great                         
                                                                                                                                
  state and an appreciation of its beauties and opportunities. We pray in finding a solution to the                             
                                                                                                                                
  subsistence impasse, we will also find solutions for other problems: poverty and the breakdown of                             
                                                                                                                                
  family life; accessibility and the limited nature of resources; personal freedom and the need to                              
                                                                                                                                
  protect nature.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      In solidarity with one another and in gratitude for the treasure of creation we share, we must                            
                                                                                                                                
  come to a just solution to the subsistence issue and emerge a stronger and more united people.                                
                                                                                                                                
          May the peace of the Lord Jesus, who came in love to set us free, be with you all.                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  Roger L. Schwietz, OMI                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  Archbishop of Anchorage                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
  Francis T. Hurley                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  Archbishop Emeritus of Anchorage                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  Michael W. Warfel                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  Bishop of Juneau                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  Apostolic Administrator Diocese of Fairbanks                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  Richard D. Case, S.J.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  Deputy to Apostolic Administrator                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  Diocese of Fairbanks                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
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 [1] "Subsistence   uses"  are the non-commercial,    customary   and  traditional uses of wild,  renewable                     
 resources   for direct  personal  or  family  consumption    as  food,  shelter, fuel, clothing,  tools, or                    
 transportation, for the making   and selling of handicraft  articles out of non-edible by-products   of fish                   
 and  wildlife resources taken  for personal or family  consumption,   and  for the customary  trade, barter,                   
 or  sharing for  personal  or family  consumption.   See  Alaska   National  Interest Lands  Conservation                      
 Act, Sec. 803,16 U.S.C. Section 3114; Alaska Statute 15.05.940 (32).                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [2]  In preparation for this pastoral letter, the Alaska Catholic Conference sponsored a listening                             
 session, "Subsistence Through the Lens of Catholic Social Teaching/' at which individuals from                                 
 many areas of Alaska and from a variety of perspectives addressed the subsistence issue. At the                                
  listening session, we bishops learned a great deal about the issue and saw the passion and conviction                         
   on many sides of the issue. There was a candid and honest sharing of points of view with an attempt                          
 on the part of the speakers to hear and understand one another.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [3] Second Vatican Council, Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World (1965) 43.                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [4] The   impetus  for enacting  the Alaska   Native  Claims  Settlement   Act came   from  several  fronts.                   
 Alaskan   and  federal legislators did not want  to postpone   the aboriginal  land claim  settlements  any                    
 longer. In addition, after the 1968  discovery  of oil in Prudhoe Bay,  it was clear that the lack of a land                   
 claims  settlement might  hinder  gaining right-of-way  for construction  of the pipeline. Berger, Thomas                      
 R., Village  Tourney:   The  Report  of the Alaska  Native  Review   Commission     (Hill and Wang:   New                    
 York, 1985) 23-24.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [5] Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, 43 U.S.C. Section 1603.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [6]  Alaska  Natives   Commission    Final  Report,  Volume    III, Part II, B, citing Conference   Report                 
         nd            st                                                                                                       
 746,92Congress, 1 Session, 1971, p. 37.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    [7] In the Alaska Statehood Act in 1958, the federal government transferred management of fish and                          
 wildlife in Alaska to the new state government. The Lands Act in 1980 is seen by some as a                                     
 violation of the statehood agreement. This is a disputed legal issue, and while acknowledged, it is                            
 not addressed in this pastoral letter.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [8] Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act, Sec. 804,16 U.S.C. Section 3114                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [9] Bobby v. State of Alaska, 718 F. Supp 764 (D. Alaska 1989)                                                                 
  [10] David S. Case, Alaska Natives and American Laws (University of Alaska Press, 1984) 300.                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [11] McDowell v. Alaska, 785 P.2d 1 (Alaska 1989) The court stated:                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          We  therefore  conclude  that the  requirement  contained   in the 1986  subsistence  statute, that                   
          one must   reside in a  rural area in order  to participate in  subsistence  hunting  and  fishing,                   
          violates sections 3,15, and 17 of article VIII of the Alaska Constitution.                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [12]  The   existing  system   of federal-state  "dual  management"      is complicated    by  issues  like                   
  overlapping  state and federal  areas of jurisdiction, different eligibility criteria, permit and reporting                   
  requirements,   and   the  complexities   of  coordinating   management     and   harvests   of  migrating                    
  populations of fish and wildlife for users with different priority rights.                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [13] Pope  John  Paul II, Message  for.the.Celebration  of the World   Day  of Peace    (1989), "To  Build            
  Peace, Respect Minorities," 10.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [14]  Robert  W.   Loescher,   President/Chief   Executive   Officer  of  Sealaska   Corp.,  in  a  speech                    
  presented  to The   Alaska   Federation  of  Native  Political Leadership   Summit,    February  16,1999,                     
  "Native Subsistence Rights - Where are we now in State and National Politics?" Loescher states:                               
                                                                                                                                
          The Alaska  Natives  originally sought  the inclusion of a "Native  Preference"  for the Title VIII                   
          priority and even  today it is still the deeply held feeling of Alaska Native  people  everywhere                     
          that this should be  the real purpose   of the law.  However,   at the request  and urging  of  the                   
          State of Alaska,  the Natives  agreed  to compromise    by accepting  the application  of the Title                   
          VIII priority to rural Alaska residents and dropping its application to a "Native Preference."                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  See  also,  Report  of  Conn,   Stephen    &  Garber,   Bart  Kaloa,   Moment    of  Truth:  The   Special                  
  Relationship  of the  Federal  Government    to Alaska   Natives  and  Their  Tribes  - Update  and  Issue                  
  Analysis (1981) 27. The authors write:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          The  state insisted on this language  [rural] to avoid  problems  of equal  protection  challenges                    
          based  on racial discrimination   (i.e., protection of Native  subsistence  rights as  opposed   to                 
          rural residents).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [15] Catechism   of  the Catholic  Church,  2402.  The   universal destination  of goods  is the Church's                     
  understanding that the goods of creation are destined for the entire human race.                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  [16] U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Economic Justice for All, (1986) 74.                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Catholic social teaching does not maintain that a flat, arithmetical equality of income and wealth is a                        
  demand of justice, but it does challenge economic arrangements that leave large numbers of people                             
 impoverished. Further, it sees extreme inequality as a threat to the solidarity of the human                                   
 community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [17] Paul VI, A Call to Action, (1971) 23                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [18]  Prohibiting  the sale of alcohol  to minors,   charging  non-residents  higher  fees for fishing  and                    
 hunting  licenses, and  limiting Permanent   Fund  Dividends   to verifiable residents are all examples  of                    
 legally  and  socially acceptable   disparate treatment.  There   are also, in  our own   nation's history,                    
 countless  examples    of wrenchingly   unjust  discrimination--denying    women    the right  to vote, the                    
 denial of basic civil rights to people of color, and the arrest and incarceration  of Japanese-Americans                       
 during World War II.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [19] Economic Justice for All, 69, 70, and 71.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    [20] U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Called to Global Solidarity/International Challenges for                        
 U.S. Parishes, 1997.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [21] John Paul II, On Social Concern (1987) 38.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [22] John Paul II, "A Meeting with Native Americans," Origins 17 (1987b) 297.                                                  
                                                                                                                                
         Here too I wish to urge the local churches to be truly "catholic" in their outreach to native                          
         peoples and to show respect and honor for their culture and all their worthy traditions.                               
            A Statement from The Bishop of Alaska (Episcopalian)                                                                
                                                                                                                                
             9/21/1999                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  The Episcopal   Church  in Alaska,  a part of the 70 million-member   worldwide   Anglican   Communion,                       
  recognizes  and endorses  the God   given authority  to self-determination, sovereignty,  and  subsistence                    
  priority of Alaska   Natives.  We   note  that these  Rights  are  also enshrined   in the  many   solemn                     
  agreements  between   Alaska  Natives  and The  State of Alaska  and  The  United  States of America.  We                     
  believe that the inherent authority of Alaska  Natives, clearly articulated in the many  people  to people                    
  agreements   that endorse  it, are a matter of  primary  and  fundamental   moral  commitment.    Further,                    
  these God  given  Rights have  been  affirmed by  many  church  councils  over the past two  centuries and                    
  the absolutely  consistent moral  teaching  of virtually all the churches  throughout   the ages. We   join                   
  with Alaska  Natives  in the basic and  just request that the State of Alaska honor  the authority to self-                   
  determination,  sovereignty,  and subsistence  priority that belongs  to Alaska  Natives  by Right  and by                    
  law.!                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  We  believe that peace, prosperity, and  justice for all Alaskans is not possible unless the first rights of                  
  Alaska's first peoples are honored and observed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  The Rt. Rev. Mark MacDonald                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  The Seventh Bishop of Alaska                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                Analysis of Jerry Ward's Proposed Constitutional Amendment                                                    
                                            May 18, 2002                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   The  proposed   amendment     would   amend   Art. VIII  of the Constitution   by adding   a new                             
   section to read as follows:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          The  Legislature  may  provide  a preference  to residents  to take a fish or wildlife                                
          population   for  subsistence  use  when   the  harvestable  surplus  of  the  fish or                                
          wildlife population   is not sufficient to provide for all beneficial uses of the fish                                
          or wildlife population.  The  preference  shall be accorded  to residents who   reside                                
          in  the vicinity  of the  fish or  wildlife population   and  have  customarily   and                                 
          traditionally used the fish or wildlife population in a rural area for subsistence.                                   
                                                                                                                                
   The proposal has the following problems:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
           1. . Although this amendment is being touted as providing for a "local" subsistence                                  
   priority, the preference  it authorizes would   not be  in place at all times - only  in times of                            
   shortages.  Until there is a shortage,  there would   be no  means  for the  Boards  of Fish  and                            
   Game    to provide  special  seasons  or bag  limits  to local residents  to accommodate     their                           
   customary   and  traditional  harvest  practices. Thus,  as written,  the amendment     does  not                            
   establish a true "local priority," because local subsistence  uses need  not be  recognized  (and                            
   in fact may be proscribed) until there is a resource shortage.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
           2. The preference is not mandatory.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          3. The term "in the vicinity" is vague - it will entail the drawing of boundaries and,                                
   without  seeing  an  implementing    statute, there is no way   to know   how  those  boundaries                             
   would   be drawn.  It is not worded  in a way  that suggests  that the boundaries  would   follow                            
   customary and traditional harvest areas.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          4. It appears that this priority would apply only to individuals who both (1) live "in                                
   the vicinity of the fish or wildlife" for which  there is a shortage, and (2) have  "customarily                             
   and  traditionally used the fish or wildlife in [that] rural area for subsistence." This  priority                           
   would   therefore   have  to  be  based   upon   some   set  of individual   characteristics  that                           
   demonstrate   a personal  history of use of the resource  for subsistence. To  be eligible for the                           
   priority, one would   have to show   a personal history of use  (how  long?  how  frequent?  each                            
   population?)  of the particular fish stock or game   population.  Such  an individual-permitting                             
   system would destroy the Native subsistence way of life.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
              5. The reference to "rural area" in the last sentence implies that there would                                    
   continue   to be  non-subsistence   or  non-rural  areas  within  the  State  where  subsistence                             
   activities are not allowed. This  amendment    would  not benefit those residents  of such places                            
   as  Eklutna,  Ninilchik, Saxman,    or the Kenaitze   Indian  Tribe, since  their customary   and                            
   traditional harvest areas  are located, for the most  part, within non-subsistence   areas of the                            
   State.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
           6. One who "customarily and traditionally used the fish or wildlife population in a                                  
   rural  area for  subsistence"   is fundamentally   different  from   a "rural  Alaska  resident."                            
    ANILCA    defines  subsistence  uses  as the "customary   and  traditional uses of  rural Alaska                            
    residents." The  phrase  "customarily   and  traditionally used"  in the  proposed  amendment                               
    refers to the user whereas the federal law speaks in terms of the uses.                                                     
                                                                                                                                
           7. The proposal also lacks authorization for distinguishing among subsistence                                        
    users when there is a shortage that prevents satisfaction of all subsistence uses.                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    There  are a number   of difficulties with the concept  of  framing  a "local" priority that will                           
    fulfill the promise of ANILCA     to protect the Native  subsistence  way  of life. In one sense,                           
    ANILCA    does  embody   the "local" concept,  by defining  subsistence  uses as the "customary                             
    and traditional uses  of rural  Alaska  residents." Thus,  the  rural priority has always   been                            
    "local" in that it provides a priority for rural residents of communities  that have  customary                             
    and traditional uses of a particular resource.  If the resource is not sufficient to provide  for                           
    all the subsistence  uses of those  communities    with  recognized  customary   and  traditional                           
    uses, the tier II factors come into play and  the priority is extended  only to those  particular                           
    rural residents who  are most   dependent  upon   the resource  (i.e., (1) "customary and  direct                           
    dependence   upon  the population  as the mainstay  of livelihood;  (2) local residency; and  (3)                           
    availability of alternative resources").                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
    The  foremost  difficulty with a  local priority is ensuring that the "local area"  are properly                            
    drawn.  One  need  only look  at the difficulty the State and the Federal agencies  have  had  in                           
    defining "rural"  - a much   clearer concept  than  "local" - to see that the  State will face  a                           
    daunting  task in establishing  local boundaries.   Over  the  years, a number   of suggestions                             
    have  surfaced. They   have  ranged  from  defining  local  as residency  within  a given  game                             
    management    unit (GMU)    (Governor   Hammond),    to "subsistence   harvest areas" similar  to                           
    those used in the Migratory  Bird  Treaty Amendments     (Sen. Stevens),  to ANCSA    regions  or                           
    areas immediately   surrounding   each  village within  the ANCSA     regions. The  problem,   of                           
    course, is that subsistence  activities do not necessarily  follow  GMU    boundaries,  ANCSA                               
    regions or confine  themselves  to areas immediately   surrounding   each village. For example,                             
    Aniak  is on the boarder  of three GMUs.    Under  ANILCA's    Tier II criteria, the term "local"                           
    has been  interpreted to mean  residency  in a given customary   and traditional uses area - that                           
    area may extend far beyond the boundaries of a given village.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
    Senator  Stevens'   suggestion   to implement    a  "local"  priority  along  the  lines  of  the                           
    "subsistence  harvest  areas"  contemplated   in  amendments    to  the Migratory   Bird  Treaty                            
    between  the U.S. and  Canada   would  at least retain the concept of customary  and  traditional                           
    harvest areas. Those   amendments    allow  for the continuation  of customary   and  traditional                           
    hunting  of migratory  birds  by indigenous   inhabitants of  Alaska  who   use migratory   birds                           
    and their eggs  for their own   nutritional and  other essential needs.  The  term  "indigenous                             
    inhabitants" is defined  to mean   Alaska   Natives  who  are  permanent   residents of  villages                           
    within  designated   areas  of  Alaska   where   subsistence   hunting  of  migratory   birds  is                           
    customary  and  traditional, and includes  non-Native   permanent   residents of  these villages.                           
   The   Subsistence   Harvest   Areas   are  described   as  encompassing     the  customary    and                            
   traditional hunting  areas of  villages with a customary   and  traditional pattern of migratory                             
   bird  harvest.  Under   the Migratory    Bird  Treaty,  these areas  are  designated   through  a                            
   deliberative process  using  co-management    bodies  that have  tribal governments  as co-equal                             
   partners  with the State and  federal governments.   A  "local" priority along these  lines might                            
   be  made  to work,  but  it would  open  up Title VIII  of ANILCA    for amendments     - a move                             
   that is strongly opposed by the Native community.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   The  question  of who  draws   the lines is also critical. If it is the Alaska Boards of Fish and                            
   Game,   dominated   by urban,  non-subsistence  user  groups, the local subsistence  use area for                            
   a  community    like Anchorage    would   be  extensive,  and  could  seriously  impact   Copper                             
   Center, for example.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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